Still not watched the half of it?

Nope. Maybe once all new content runs out I’ll go back and watch all these f/f (”all”, lol) movies I haven’t yet. A wild weekend of Carol, The Handmaiden, The Half of It, The Favourite, Rafiki, Portrait, Hearts Beat Loud, Signature Move, etc. I’ll let y’all know my thoughts. 😮

I enjoyed The Half of It and it definitely doesn’t force you to have empathy for the Trump supporters at all. So I’m confused by Alice Wu’s own words lol It has the religious aspect but it’s so subtle and not in your face that it didn’t bother me, like it was just there (not sure if that makes sense). Overall, it was cute.

Sorry, I meant the other way around, watching it might give Trump supporters empathy for us (and other people not like them). And as for religion, I don’t mind a strong touch, it’s so large in so many of our lives, that wasn’t at all a criticism from me that it included it.

It does seem very cute and already an integral part of the f/f movie pantheon. 🙂

Have you seen The Half of It? It’s on Netflix now :) [[MORE]]

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Not yet, no! Now that it’s finally here, I feel oddly reluctant to sit down and start. Sometimes hype makes me really want to watch something, sometimes I’m scared to start and be disappointed or worse, love it and have no more of it. Also, you know. It’s a movie. I still haven’t watched A Secret Love either. (Or The Favourite or Carol or The Handmaiden. :x) But I hope you enjoyed it!

And another two anons (one is mildly spoilery and negative):

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I just watched the half of it and it wasn’t bad? I mean towards representation is not the best movie ever but it was nice and like the way it was shot was great?

The half of it vaguely spoilerish if you haven’t seen it yet… I am so glad I found out ahead of time that this wasn’t a lesbian rom com Bc whew I woulda been pissed watching it had I not known that. As it was, I was honestly kinda bored a lot of the movie. I love Alice Wu and she made very lovable characters in Ellie & Aster, but this movie had so much focus on Paul. I’m sick of white boys dominating narratives honestly. He wasn’t a fresh character at all but he was still so much the focus.

These two came in so close together this morning, they made me laugh. You’re like two sides of the same coin, all, yeah, I guess it was okay??

To the first anon, heh, you seem unsure? You can like it or even love it without any issue! It DOES hit a lot of rep points, unless it’s willfully apathetic or offensive, I feel like you’re free to enjoy what it is more than add disclaimers for what it isn’t. If you enjoyed it, that’s awesome.

To the second anon, well, I get it. Maybe that’s why I’m not in a rush to watch. I’m not currently in the mood for a story that is basically, in Wu’s own words, an attempt to reach out to people who made Trump happen. And okay, that’s not fair, it’s so many more things, a coming of age story for an Asian American lesbian teen, the story of a second gen immigrant and her dad in a small American town, among other things, friendship between seemingly fundamentally different people, how to grow and learn past learned biases, even the effects of religion on Aster.  And heck, even if it were just the first thing, that’d be an admirable goal, let alone the many other things it manages to be to so many people. I’m not saying it has to be something different.

But if this movie has two main roles, to teach empathy to an external group and to be relatable to an inner group, it is…neither of those things to me. I’m a Southeast Asian American who grew up abroad, my experiences are very different from Ellie’s and while I have a bunch of guy friends, I don’t care about Paul. Which will probably change when I actually watch, the way I love Dutch and Johnny in Killjoys. Or currently, Isaac on Vagrant Queen. I end up liking a lot of male characters, tbh. I dunno. I guess it’s what the focus is Presented as. Ellie may be the lead of THOI, but a movie’s inherent lack of time forces Paul and their dynamic to be so central, and a part of me does resent that a bit. It’s sold as a different kind of love story, their dynamic itself is the main character.

It could be a combination of many things, a difference between what I want and what it is, the fact that it’s a movie and just didn’t have the time I like to develop. I really liked In My Skin, a TV show, and that wasn’t particularly relatable, I guess I’m more open to stories when the female lead is front and center in every way. The story is about her. It’s like in Stumptown, I FAR preferred the episodes that treated Dex as the main than those where Grey or Hoffman had some adventure and Dex was just, like, there. 

But annnyway. It’s fine, right, we don’t have to like everything. I get the FOMO, something like this is so big and the f/f community’s still so small, it’s hard to ignore it and everyone around us engaging with it in some way. But aren’t we reaching a point where we don’t have to like something because it’s f/f but can go on to something else? Well. I say that as someone who prefers TV to movies, because damn, pickings are slim if you want happy central f/f in movies. Honestly, that’s really what it comes down to, the issue isn’t this movie but that there aren’t enough f/f movies out there. Every one of these discussions boils down to that basic point, that this one movie shouldn’t be responsible for everything this industry’s failed to do. You don’t have to like this movie, but you should have the opportunity to watch more than one happy ending every few years.

Can we agree to wait until May 1rst yo decide if the movie is gonna be bad or now? It really bothers me a little how people jump to said is queer baiting and that is gonna be Bad and the movie is not even out yet

Okay, this I also really wish I’d answered earlier, since now we’re just a week away, but. On the other hand, nothing we say would have made a difference to people complaining. And I certainly wasn’t calling it bad or queerbaiting, which, I don’t even use that word anymore when it comes to f/f rep, canon OR subtext. I have a lot of thoughts about it, but ultimately, it’s just not very useful.

But yeah, of course, I do think people should be allowed to have complaints, but also, it’s just courtesy to not ruin it for others. Given how talented but also thoughtful Alice Wu tends to be, even if people have seen the script, the execution and end product do matter a lot. And ultimately, even if it is exactly what the script and trailer promise and disappoints people hoping for a more romcom execution, it’s unfair to sum up something’s objective quality based on subjective preferences.

But people are going to vent and rant on their blogs, you may just want to be careful about visiting the tags, or just try to ignore it. Surely the negative comments are the exception.

God this reminds me how much I loved Saving Face! I love mother-daughter relationships and especially one that is between an immigrant and first gen daughter (I think she was?). It’s so damn relatable. I’m gonna re-watch it ❤️

I…hope you did rewatch it! Two weeks ago! I should have answered this exuberant positive ask earlier, you were just behind the others and I felt I had to answer them first…

But yes! Saving Face! What a well done story on so many fronts. I hope you enjoyed it!

Hi so I’m the anon that mentioned that they would probably drop the trailer for THOI next week, so waking up to it this morning was a happy surprise. Having just seen it and not knowing anything else. I’m assuming that they are focusing more on the platonic friendship and less on the F/F. Which honestly I like because like you mentioned on a post it’s about finding an ally in small town America and crushing on the same person, which is something that happens all to time to friends.

Cont. of date anon, As well as I’m not sure how many people remember Sierra Burgess is a big loser. But it kind of dealt with the same topics of helping another person get their crush. And after it came out people had an issue with it, because while we like to imagine it as a cute story you tell later in life. It is actually a person being misled and lied to about who they thought they knew and realistically I don’t think in RL any type of relationship would work out.

Last part. I think I believe Ms. Wu realizes this as well. Like you mentioned there is not a whole lot of happy W/W romcoms out there and to create one based on a lie doesn’t seem like a thing she would do. I would prefer if they built up the friendship between Elie and Paul and used it as a way to show that starting a relationship off with a lie doesn’t help anyone and by putting Aster on a pedestal they don’t really learn about the real her.

I’m so sorry it took so long to reply, especially since we have an ongoing correspondence. 😛 Now it looks silly when I say “Yay! You got your trailer early”, because it’s almost two weeks after. D:

Yeah, it does look like it’ll be more about the friendship and coming of age and her identity as a second-gen Asian American in a small town. 

I…don’t remember anything about Sierra Burgess is a Loser, which I had to google just now. I honestly haven’t seen any of these, I just know vaguely that one is about a tall girl and one is about a kissing booth, one of course is TATBTILB which was ALL over my dash. I had no idea that people had an issue with it, I feel like there’s a lot more leeway given to romcoms and of course movies in general that people wouldn’t tolerate in real life, but it doesn’t surprise me that people point out objectionable things more now.

But anyway, in this case, I get what you’re saying about how this relationship works (or doesn’t), but I don’t even think that needs to be said. It’s not as if the premise was the actual obstacle to a relationship, if it were, she could have just written a different one. It’s just not the focus, dearth of f/f romcoms or not, this wasn’t intended to be one and then changed because she realized it didn’t work, it was just never meant to be that. And that’s totally fine.

just my humble 2 cents but like. i know ppl like to have wlw ships and happy wlw endings and those are wonderful things. but also queer ppl exist,,, outside of romance? if that makes sense. and can still have wonderful, rich, diverse stories and have that be great representation. like my life is not any less gay for not being in a gay relationship

That’s a totally valid way for you to look at media, anon, but I’ve got my way too. And I could say, well, it’s relevant how this discourse only seems to come up for same-sex and interracial couples, who’ve had to fight to exist and be represented, and the lack of media romance and happy endings for them is for a reason. Or that to have representation of characters with AND without romance/happy wlw endings, we kind of have to still have the happy wlw endings and we’re quite short on those. Or that we don’t have to be in real life what we want to see in fiction.

But none of that’s needed as a justification because at the end of the day, I like romance. I like happy endings. I want to see them. And that’s fair too, and for others who want that.

I was so excited for The Half of It. But after watching the trailer my excitement kinda lessen by half. Of course I will still watch and support it. I just had different expectation of it in the beginning. Now I just want to support it without having any expectation, especially if the crush ends up with the guy. I hope Alice Wu gets to make more movies in the future. Saving Face was truly nice and hopefully she can make more and better. Also I wish Netflix would make more lgbtq romcom series.

Yes, exactly, please, Netflix, make more queer romcoms! Or…any? 

But this does show, I think, how much the expectations around this are affecting the framing. I still think, as someone who would have preferred it to be more classic romcom, that it’ll be a fun watch. I don’t think the crush and the guy will end up together, unless things have changed in the extreme, but even with the focus away from the romance, you liked Saving Face and a lot of it was also about Wil and her mom and even, separately from Will completely, the mom’s romance with the young guy and how the community was maneuvering around that. 

I think a lot about this is the execution and I feel like it’ll be well done enough that we’ll still be happy. Even though the focus won’t be on Ellie and Aster, their moments will be sprinkled around in such a way that we’ll still be repeatedly reminded of them.