Hmm, yeah, when other people are there, but am I misremembering or does she do it when alone too? I mean, I don’t think it’s to get away from her bed partner, I think it’s just how she sleeps on the outside. And my immediate theory, without even thinking much about it, had been that it was because she wasn’t used to a big soft bed anymore.
As for Wren, I get the sense that she won’t be sticking around Bc we haven’t seen anything specifically in her POV (unless that changed this ep, I’m behind one), which makes me think she’s likely gonna be a plot point in Maddie’s story but not be fully ingrained as her own character. Which kinda sucks, but I’m used to as far as f/f stories go, so outside the usual bad tropes I don’t think anytgings gonna be a deal breaker. At this point, I’m just so curious about all of their background lol
Oh, whoops, way late on answering this one–I mean, I’m late on all of them but I had actually meant to reply and then just forgot.
Obviously, she did end up sticking around, but her role really has been so much in service of Maddie’s, and below so many other characters, it would have been difficult to say what her future was going to be. She symbolized something so huge for Maddie that I don’t think they’d just have her walk away, but I had feared they would put her back in prison and that would be used to break Maddie. Really glad they didn’t do that!
And another anon:
Oh yeah, I totally wasn’t blaming u or anything! I’m really enjoying both shows and probably wouldn’t have picked them up if I hadn’t seen that there was f/f involved Bc I get bored if shows don’t have f/f, or at least revolve more around women lol. Idk, I’m still bitter about how Maggie was treated on spg, but other than that I think most shows just have peripheral f/f so it’s easy not to get as invested & take the show for what it is. So I’m just thankful u giffed Bc I’m enjoying new stories!
Oh, I didn’t think you were, I was just putting out disclaimers, heh.
I totally get you! For me, f/f is a really simple indicator of the treatment of wom–actually, that’s literally the Bechdel test? It was created to test the potential for f/f and is used as a shortcut to measure how feminist media is. I was literally just talking to a friend who feeds me f/f book recommendations and I was like, I don’t even necessarily need f/f, I just need it to not focus on men. Even a lot of female-oriented works with a female lead will make her main dynamic with a guy, which, m/f romance is a specific genre and that’s fine but not what I’m looking for.
In TV, it’s not a sure bet of anything nowadays because it’s almost a rule that any new show must have some LGBT, so like you said, it can be pretty peripheral. Not as rewarding if it goes well, not as hurtful if goes bad. Looks like Proven Innocent turned out well, although sidelined till the end, now we look to see how In the Dark goes (aside from even more sidelining). But both shows definitely do focus a lot on women and seem earnest about trying do well by underrepresented groups, so it makes them easier to watch as the actual plot unfolds.
I’m kinda bummed Proven Innocent got cancelled, but not as much as I might’ve been in the past. I’m so used to shows completely blowing their series in the final season that I’m grateful we got a good ending. There was potential for more, but we got a bi lead who was actually innocent, fought for justice, & ended the series happily w her gf! Wish we’d seen more of Wren/them together, but it’s a win Bc I was half expecting a terrible reveal that Maddie killed Rosemary Bc unrequited love or sumn.
I’m of exactly the same opinion, anon. I wish there were more of it, it seems such an earnest show, I feel like maybe we could have trusted it to tell more story but I’m also very okay with where we ended up. There was always that fear that they’d stumble at the end, in any direction, possibly decide to teach a lesson on how unfair life is and put Wren back in or go for the shock twist and make Maddie the bad guy after all. Instead, she’s innocent, vindicated, and happy with her gf and family. Can’t ask for much more.
What do you think of the dream Wren was having in Proven Innocent?
Hmm, I actually thought it was a flashback disguised as a nightmare, like, this isn’t so much a vague hypothetical fear she has of something happening to Maddie but something that has happened.
While a part of me wonders at how minimized Wren often seems to be, I can’t help but notice that pretty much all of Maddie’s memories of prison revolve around her. Even this glimpse of her getting STABBED is through Wren’s eyes. It reminds me of when Maddie had her own little flash of memory, when she and Easy were discussing not being able to hide the color of their skin vs hiding who you love, and there was a very short cut to her and Wren holding hands in prison. Was this a consequence of that?
This show’s built on reveals and I know Maddie’s prison time isn’t necessarily relevant to the actual overarching mystery of who killed Rosemary but surely it’s important to Maddie’s individual story. Which makes Wren kind of important however else they treat her. Right? It’s always possible for them to simply cut her out, shows do all the time, but then it’s very obvious as the bad writing it is. If they’re going to explore significant Maddie memories, like of her being stabbed, Wren has to be there.
I started watching in the dark and proven innocent Bc of your gifsets and I’m actually enjoying both so far, but I feel like both are gonna blow up on me eventually lol. In the dark Bc it’s the CW so that’s on brand, and proven innocent Bc it really does have an ominous thread to it. Maybe Bc I’m in shock that a show has a bi lead in a same sex relationship and she’s actually the main character and it seems too good to be true?? Plus the premise of the show?? But I already love Wren…
Oh, because of my gifsets? I’m flattered! But this is why I never actually straight up recommend the shows I gif, you just never know!
Actually, in the case of In the Dark, it feels rather not like a typical CW show? Not that that helps, in this case, that might actually be worse. But in terms of what’s on brand for the CW, the worst their f/f rep has suffered since 2016 (when they learned a LESSON) is poor screentime and lack of focus. No death and none of the especially offensive tropes. We can never be sure that might not change, maybe they (like other shows recently) will decide three years was enough of a moratorium, but I don’t fear a f/f death on the CW any more than any other network. And the ship here is so background, I don’t really see them getting much drama.
Proven Innocent is a very weird case. Like you, I am bewildered by how oddly central the f/f is. But at the same time, they do seem to minimize Wren herself. It’s almost as if Maddie having a gf is more important than the gf herself. But then other times they do focus on them together and her relationship with Wren kinda needs Wren to be present. It’s ominous, I think, because it’s such an earnest show that tries to cover such difficult topics and for them to matter, the stakes have to be high, so there’s no happy ending waiting.
But I don’t regret starting or watching them. I didn’t actually know there was going to be f/f in either when I started, which helps loads, watching a show for its own sake and not f/f, but also, I didn’t do anything wrong by expecting the shows to behave decently. If they mess up that’s on them.
Like, your question made me think about The Purge and Star, from which I giffed f/f that later went south. And looking back now, it’s easy to say, how did I expect them to be better, but I’ve really come to dislike how we put the blame on ourselves, “Why’d, I get into this? I should have known better, it’s my fault really”. As the stories were happening, they really did sell these pining, romantic ships. Not perfect, there was cheating and angst, but it was The Purge and Star, that’s just everything was. And then what went wrong wasn’t because of the cheating or angst, they just abruptly and with terrible writing, ended them. That’s on them.
I can’t just not watch everything in case it goes bad, then I’d watch nothing. And right after The Purge and Star, I got into a pretty goshdarn great ship, and I’d have missed a lot of the fun of watching a story unfold live if I’d waited to make sure it was “safe”. And even when I’m tentative about things, like I was with Will & Grace (and both these shows you mentioned, tbh), I’d still rather watch live and get at least some enjoyment before there’s nothing left to enjoy.
That’s me, anyway. I fully get that other people have other approaches and maybe for you, the comfort of knowing the fault is on the writers isn’t enough. I’ll keep giffing, in that case, and will let you know if a season ended in a good place. 😛