I know a lot of people are praising panchito for supporting juls and that’s great! But like… isn’t he still married and cheating on his wife? Or am I missing something?
Well, it being a telenovela, the cheating just isn’t that big a thing, if people are even following that part of his story, I would guess there’s some tunnel vision toward characters and how they interact with Juliantina. And, well, the two things can be separate. It is a good thing to not be homophobic, whatever else.
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Mmm…what Lupe did was awful, but can you believe how accurate her reaction was to this?
The writer does deserve a lot of credit for getting so much of the dialogue so spot on, realistic and in a way that agrees with Lupe’s previous characterization of really loving Juls and thinking this comes from a place of protective love, while also showing how flat out wrong she is. It is different from Eva, who’s very much about the family name and reputation. Which brings me to…
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I think it’s interesting how we assumed Lupe would be a /little/ more accepting of Juls/Val given how they’ve presented their bond. If anything, Eva’s reaction was slightly better?? She did voice her ‘support’ (I use the term loosely) for sexual diversity in society, she only really gives a shit about it becoming scandalous for her family. Although she’s hurtful, Lupe’s words towards Juls were unbearably personal, and scary. Praying for those who have to face such treatment from loved ones.
It is interesting, isn’t it, we were like, well, she loves her, so much.
The audience would see that too. And yet…here we are.
Actually, I bet there aren’t a few people watching who might agree with her? That a loving parent should try to…help? their child and steer them away from this? Which is why it’s so important that the narrative has consistently shown her to be so wrong, it’s not even funny. If they see themselves in Lupita, they are getting an earful.
I don’t know if you can really qualify her or Eva’s reactions in a way where one is slightly better or less worse. Eva got super vicious in there too, remember, about ending alone, about how their parents would react. And in a way, isn’t it as bad to say, I’m fine with it in others but not you? Not my sister? I wouldn’t say Val felt particularly cheered by that general support for other gays, lol.
And another anon:
i am in no way defending lupe– she’s definitely homophobic– but i do think that some of it comes from a genuine fear for Juliana. she spoke a lot about what this will mean for her in society and how they will treat her and that Juls has gone through too much already with El Chino as her father. i hope that her love for Juliana and desire to protect will eventually turn into her supporting them
Like I said above, I do agree that it’s from a protective place, but–actually, I think you sent this before last night’s ep, when she straight up call it indecent. And I mean, she’s the one who kept Chino in their lives… Still, I think she will come around.
to the anon that said that people celebrated name days in Mexico… we don’t lol at least the majority of the population doesn’t and the circles in which Val moves definitely wouldn’t, it’s just that some people (mostly in small towns) still give their kids the name that’s marked on the calendar but it’s not really a thing anymore. it probably just seems weird to that anon that Val doesn’t know because well… it’s St. Valentines and everyone knows when that is lol
Oh, okay, look at these little things we’re learning. 😀
But yeah, how did she forget for even a second? Shows how little she thought of romance before. Now she’s going to be the dreamiest, most romantic gf of all time.
usually in mexico they celebrate name days, as a low key birthday. so, yeah, no way Valentia doesnt know when san valentin is
Wellll, we could headcanon that this family doesn’t do it or maybe she left for Canada and stopped, but surely she would have then remembered it from her childhood. So is it just a flub from Maca? That she then corrects mid-sentence?
Actually, now I’m on the side of it being written. As real as it looks and as minor a detail as it would have been, that’s what makes them laugh, which then segues into being interrupted by Lucho in the scene itself. So kudos to the writers and Maca, I guess?
I don’t know if you noticed but there was a bottle of mezcal on the coffee table in the scene whew Val is by the fireplace.
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Okay but did you noticed the bottle? She was drinking again while thinking about her first kiss… poor girl she just wants her girl back
You know what, I actually hadn’t noticed it. There was just so much gay onscreen.
But it’s right there. I don’t know, I would think that if we were supposed to take note, it would be a little more prominent. But maybe not, maybe it’s just an ever-present background thing. I think it is an encouraging thing that she wasn’t actually drinking in the scene we saw, instead distracting herself with thoughts of Juls. Just like…earlier that day, right? she was still paranoid about the cartel and now her mind is full of something else.
I think San Mateo might die wtf he can’t be killed!!!
It really is pointing to that, isn’t it? :/ He’s like the best guy on the show, by far. And I actually really did like this corruption vs crusading journalists thread through this show of death and family and gays. They can’t kill ALL the good journalists, can they? Will it inspire Eva to come clean and kind of take over?
Sergio! I think she’s going to ask him for help, and that’s why there’s a spoiler of him talking with Val about Juls
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Juliana goes to Sergio, that is why Val & him confront each other. Val: but she is MY girlfriend. Sergio who only wanted to help: then take her jfc
So this theory goes with some of the other spoilers I’ve seen, though a little conflicting, but I’m not sure if that’s specifically going to come into play right now? So it’s still a little up in the air, although it seems likely.
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What if the narcos finds Juliana on the street and use her to find el chino omg
Oh, we’re jumping straight to danger, anon. It’s a possibility, we can’t rule anything out, everything’s going to start coming together now. I hope it doesn’t happen, but that’s actually not a terrible guess, the Chino/Beltran/narcos plot has to be resolved.
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I feel like Juls probably slept in the park where she met Val, she has a lot of fun happy memories with Val at the park, so I feel like that’s where she would’ve gone if she had no where else to sleep, for no other reason than to feel just a little bit close to Val even when she’s not there.
Now we’re going to emo territory, lol. You know, after they returned from Valle, I was wondering if they’d show Val acknowledge that Juls had just slept and woken next to her, maybe have her hug the pillow. I don’t know if this theory’s likely, but anything’s possible in this show.
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Hear me out – What if Lupe goes to see Val to find Juliana. Val is worried that Juls is missing, and works with Lupe to find her. Lupe sees how much Val loves her daughter and starts the process of acceptance?
Huh. I mean, they do need to kickstart the reconciliation in some way and we’re running out of eps. If there’s one thing the two of them have in common, it’s their love for Juls.
I’d say the Sergio theory is most likely given that there are existing spoilers for it, but who knows, really. It might be none of these.
Honestly? Both girls giving zero concessions, zero apology for their feelings, zero shame, despite the negative reactions in both their lives? And both negative reactions been framed as the wrong reaction in the narrative??? I love this song!!
If we had to see them keep on facing homophobia, I’m so glad it’s being handled like this. Treating the homophobes with frank disdain, like their opinions are just that stupid and unworthy of consideration. I was actually a little worried there might be some backsliding during moments of vulnerability but they’ve been so strong.
please let juliantina reunite in the rain oh god id sell my soul to see that… water is their element
*gasp* Anon! I had hoped and then forgotten but now you’ve rekindled my dreams. I know it won’t happen, but godddd, I would love that. I would love it so much.
if Val finds out that juls is living on the street or something just because they’re ‘broken up’ and she didn’t know where else to go she’s gonna flip. val will never let that happen to her girl! even though they’re not technically together val will always want to keep juls safe
Seriously! Though let’s face it, Val would probably want to move her in even if Juls was living very comfortably on her own.
But where did Juls go? And it’s raining and everything? Tsk.