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I haven’t seen Killing Eve but it looks interesting. Is Villanelle supposed to be likeable? Cause she cracks me up everytime she appears on my dash

I think she is, actually, and deliberately meant to be. Until she does something scary and then you remember what she is. But she’s clearly very charismatic and appealing and funny and cute by design. 

It depends on who she’s up against. Much of the time she’s killing (I hope that’s not a spoiler) people we don’t care about and in those situations we’re fine if she succeeds and in some cases even want her to. But when she goes against the good guys, I think they’re still more rootable. So it’s a fun watch because you basically get to feel where the show’s leading you without also feeling guilty or contrary.

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I haven’t seen Killing Eve but it looks interesting. Is Villanelle supposed to be likeable? Cause she cracks me up everytime she appears on my dash

I think she is, actually, and deliberately meant to be. Until she does something scary and then you remember what she is. But she’s clearly very charismatic and appealing and funny and cute by design. 

It depends on who she’s up against. Much of the time she’s killing (I hope that’s not a spoiler) people we don’t care about and in those situations we’re fine if she succeeds and in some cases even want her to. But when she goes against the good guys, I think they’re still more rootable. So it’s a fun watch because you basically get to feel where the show’s leading you without also feeling guilty or contrary.

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@ninjamming-fic replied to your post:
why haven’t you been giffing (is that even a…

tbh totally agree about the final scene, it didn’t match the rest of the ep in intensity – a big argument needs a big reconciliation and what kate did was HUGE. in a way i’m glad they’re talking but it felt very unnatural

Yeah, they didn’t discuss the actual cause of the argument at all?? Instead, Kate brought up her jealousy and Rana answered to it (weirdly). The issue of Rana’s parents and how she’s handling that and Kate’s feelings about them and Kate going against Rana’s wishes was just completely dismissed. Rana’s father just told her wished she’d never been born and instead Zee took precedence? I know it’s a setup for the coming storyline but very, very poorly done.

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@ninjamming-fic replied to your post:
why haven’t you been giffing (is that even a…

tbh totally agree about the final scene, it didn’t match the rest of the ep in intensity – a big argument needs a big reconciliation and what kate did was HUGE. in a way i’m glad they’re talking but it felt very unnatural

Yeah, they didn’t discuss the actual cause of the argument at all?? Instead, Kate brought up her jealousy and Rana answered to it (weirdly). The issue of Rana’s parents and how she’s handling that and Kate’s feelings about them and Kate going against Rana’s wishes was just completely dismissed. Rana’s father just told her wished she’d never been born and instead Zee took precedence? I know it’s a setup for the coming storyline but very, very poorly done.

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What two things did you not like about episode 3? Oh and thank you so much for the gifs! <3

Oh, no problem.

And heh, I was fuming while watching ep 3 and taking breaks to rant at my friend, but I guess it ended okayyyy. The first thing was the hammering in of the concept that algorithms, i.e., science, are pure and unbiased whereas any programmer can tell you it’s only as unbiased as its programmer, so not unbiased at all. Even–especially learning algorithms. How can something we built based on things we’ve done not be as biased as us? And pitting it against emotions, as if they’re mutually exclusive, Allison’s brother telling her to come at the judge’s decision with emotion, as if it wasn’t straight up facts that won her the argument. But even though they didn’t spell out why algorithms aren’t perfect, at least they admitted it, so I let it go.

The other thing was when Sandra and Kate were head to head and Kate was arguing with the rules on her side and Sandra was trying to appeal to her sense of fairness. And I love rules, I’ve never liked the loose canon maverick, but why didn’t Sandra point out the government broke the rules first? Why not reframe the situation for Kate? Sandra was appealing to her sense of fairness because it’s wrong…because it broke a rule.

Why does national security trump everything and allow rules to be taken away? I wish that had been put to Kate. Or at least alluded to in the ep. 

I was just angry that the conceit of the show is all these clever people arguing cleverly but they missed two major things, or worse, actually think that way and then imparted it onto their audience. But ep 5 was pretty great so I forgave them a lot.

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What two things did you not like about episode 3? Oh and thank you so much for the gifs! <3

Oh, no problem.

And heh, I was fuming while watching ep 3 and taking breaks to rant at my friend, but I guess it ended okayyyy. The first thing was the hammering in of the concept that algorithms, i.e., science, are pure and unbiased whereas any programmer can tell you it’s only as unbiased as its programmer, so not unbiased at all. Even–especially learning algorithms. How can something we built based on things we’ve done not be as biased as us? And pitting it against emotions, as if they’re mutually exclusive, Allison’s brother telling her to come at the judge’s decision with emotion, as if it wasn’t straight up facts that won her the argument. But even though they didn’t spell out why algorithms aren’t perfect, at least they admitted it, so I let it go.

The other thing was when Sandra and Kate were head to head and Kate was arguing with the rules on her side and Sandra was trying to appeal to her sense of fairness. And I love rules, I’ve never liked the loose canon maverick, but why didn’t Sandra point out the government broke the rules first? Why not reframe the situation for Kate? Sandra was appealing to her sense of fairness because it’s wrong…because it broke a rule.

Why does national security trump everything and allow rules to be taken away? I wish that had been put to Kate. Or at least alluded to in the ep. 

I was just angry that the conceit of the show is all these clever people arguing cleverly but they missed two major things, or worse, actually think that way and then imparted it onto their audience. But ep 5 was pretty great so I forgave them a lot.

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one thing i love about kate and rana right now is that you can sympathize with the both of them which i feel is rare in a ship, never mind a couple from a soap. i think they’re doing this story really well and portraying rana’s guilt and kate’s jealousy is such a true way.

Yeah, what always impressed me about this story was that both their motivations were clear, they didn’t go for the cheap trick where if only characters communicated, their problems would already be solved. In fact, they communicated a lot, I loved their conversations around the time of the wedding “you want me to want you but you’ll still marry him”, they were just such different people at such different places, both couldn’t see any option open to them. And slowly with time and more communication they arrived at the same place (to have an affair, d’oh! Soaps, right? I just shrugged at Kate’s inability to just wait it out). 

Which is why I was pissed at that two month period post Luke’s death where nothing made sense. But it seems they’re back in the same place they were before, where they both see the problem so clearly from their own point of view and can’t understand why the other can’t get it. And both sides are sympathetic!

Of course it’s weird for Kate to see Rana so much with Zee, but to Rana, she’s already given up everything to be with Kate, she can’t understand why there would even be any doubt. And then Rana is still mourning and missing her family, but to Kate, these are the people who tried to hurt her and no longer deserve her, if they loved Rana they wouldn’t have done what they did, it’s all so clear to her. This is the kind of internal conflict I can get, where the problem isn’t them being nasty to each other but simply unable to understand because of their wildly different perspectives. 

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one thing i love about kate and rana right now is that you can sympathize with the both of them which i feel is rare in a ship, never mind a couple from a soap. i think they’re doing this story really well and portraying rana’s guilt and kate’s jealousy is such a true way.

Yeah, what always impressed me about this story was that both their motivations were clear, they didn’t go for the cheap trick where if only characters communicated, their problems would already be solved. In fact, they communicated a lot, I loved their conversations around the time of the wedding “you want me to want you but you’ll still marry him”, they were just such different people at such different places, both couldn’t see any option open to them. And slowly with time and more communication they arrived at the same place (to have an affair, d’oh! Soaps, right? I just shrugged at Kate’s inability to just wait it out). 

Which is why I was pissed at that two month period post Luke’s death where nothing made sense. But it seems they’re back in the same place they were before, where they both see the problem so clearly from their own point of view and can’t understand why the other can’t get it. And both sides are sympathetic!

Of course it’s weird for Kate to see Rana so much with Zee, but to Rana, she’s already given up everything to be with Kate, she can’t understand why there would even be any doubt. And then Rana is still mourning and missing her family, but to Kate, these are the people who tried to hurt her and no longer deserve her, if they loved Rana they wouldn’t have done what they did, it’s all so clear to her. This is the kind of internal conflict I can get, where the problem isn’t them being nasty to each other but simply unable to understand because of their wildly different perspectives.