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One of the things I love the most about DF is that The difference between Dani and Jhon is that Jhon lead the resistance; Dani won the war.

Well, not to defend a Man, but John did win the war too. 😛 

The first terminator was sent back as a last ditch effort AFTER Skynet was already defeated, to prevent a future in which John was born and would lead the resistance to victory. And Dani, I guess does something similar, with the Rev-9 sent back in the same way (all these damn parallels and they think I’m not gonna treat Grace/Dani like Reese/Sarah). In a way, what Sarah did was perhaps the biggest victory of all, putting off the war entirely, and if these movies didn’t have to continue being made, maybe there’s a timeline where she and John are genuinely relaxing and having fun.

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1) For all mankind musings since I just finished it: The actress who plays Tracy Stevens looks so much like Lauren German when she’s in her NASA training duds also her entire demeanor changes too. Episode 3 where all the women are introduced was when the show got good. Maybe it’s my female bias, but they livened the show up. When Ellen tells Deke who she’s in love with his reaction was a gut punch.

2) The Margo/von Braun relationship was an interesting storyline. I thought the dialogue for their big confrontation(Saturn 5 report) was some of the best of the season an acting. I was totally hoping she’d made a copy of the report, but didn’t think she’d use the “system” to get a higher position. I also have a crush on Margo.

3) One more thing about For all Mankind. Karen seemed oddly angry and dismissive about the female astronauts, but the show never addressed why she has this opinion/view. She was so dismissive of Tracy and generally negative about all the women. I don’t know if she just couldn’t imagine a woman achieving it because she couldn’t see past her own life/a woman’s role, etc… She was just so vocal I thought the show would address it by she and Tracy having a big confrontation.

Ohhh, Lauren German. Huh, maybe. She’s been reminding me of someone, that might be it. And I do love how she changes between the two worlds! She’s probably the one character that straddles both, everyone else–actually, I guess Gordo had to make the reverse transition, from astronaut to astronaut husband. Funny how that worked out for them, heh. 

Absolutely agreed on the jump in ep 3, I was actually kind of angry at ep 1 and 2 because of how they were focusing on the problems of this white guy who frankly deserved the punishment from NASA he’d gotten! Of all the stories to tell in that time. Though I did like him again after he did the right thing at the hearing but the show still wasn’t as good as promised. I don’t think it’s just a female bias, it genuinely wasn’t offering that much that was new and interesting.

Deke’s reaction…man, did you also think that at first his laugh was to signal it wasn’t a big deal? Like, oh, you were getting so nervous about that? Pfft, we’re gonna die, don’t worry about it. But noooo. God, I don’t want to think about how far back that set her. It is actually a not tiny fear of mine that we shall find out that all nine years between her landing in Jamestown and the Sea Dragon taking off in the post-credit sequence will have them be separate. I felt so bad for her, in such a specific personal way. Not only what you get for opening up to people, but about this particular thing! I’m never gonna trust anyone. >_>

Oh, that von Braun-Margo scene was amazing! The von Braun actor is so good. I’m kind of sad we got so little of him, he was so watchable. Not just as an actor, but as a character. I loved the vocabulary they used for him, he had such a different way of speaking. Although, I actually did not love the revelation about her father, it didn’t really have the impact on me it should have had. We didn’t know the guy and it didn’t really seem to hold any kind of significance for the plot at that point, it just seemed to have been thrown in for drama. Like, if it’d actually changed how she thought about her father, if we’d seen any parts before or after dealing with how she thought of him, if it changed her in any way, fine. But it just was there like, ooh, look at how heavy. 

But, on the flip side, I loved the conversation after about the reason for the explosion and why Margo hadn’t progressed through as she should have. That was great. And I’m glad she used it. She deserved her place in flight command. And heh, I love her too. I originally was hoping she might be the gay, not married and well, just giving off those vibes. I love when she’s all rapid fire explaining sciencey things in that accent.

Oh, yes, that weird thing with Karen when the women astronauts were announced. I really thought she was going to blow up at Tracy at some point too, maybe over the situation with their kids, say that Tracy wasn’t giving her kid enough attention and it was affecting Shane. But my original theory for her anger was that she was…jealous? Not because she wanted to be an astronaut, but because for years she’d sacrificed so much for Ed’s career, always being the supportive wife, it was just the way of things, the men went through admittedly tough training and selection to be astronauts, often through the military and active service, with all the help their wives gave them, and now here the wives were just gonna go ahead and do that same thing? Then why’d she give up so much without complaint, if it wasn’t necessary? If she could have been off doing something else? Was there even something else she wanted to do? That’s why I was so shocked by them taking Shane from her, tbh, they’d already made her undergo this soul searching and identity crisis earlier on. And then to take away her only child? Ooooof. I’m happy she got to end the season on a high note.

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Can you believe that episode one karen baldwin would never had even glanced or spoken to someone like wayne cobbs or pam horton… but here we are. Practically best friends with wayne and getting pam into jsc.

Oh come now, anon, she would have been a strained kind of polite before awkwardly extricating herself from the convo and then sharing a look with the other wives. 😛

But really, she probably would have been nice in an unknowingly patronizing way, I think she really did want to be as good a hostess and supporter of the whole astronaut fam as she could be. Her priorities have just shifted now, she’s still about the people, not so much the rules and etiquette.

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This is not an ask, sorry, but I miss Kate Littlejohn. She was such a great character and played so beautifully well by a great actress. I can’t say I was a huge fan of the whole show but I really did love that character.

Oh, same! She was so unusual and allowed to be. I always like when characters are written outside of existing archetypes, but I love when they’re women and not punished for it or forced back to a norm.

I was up and down on the show, sometimes really liking eps, and it helped that I was a fan of pretty much all the characters, sometimes not agreeing with choices they made, but she was awesome always. She’d have done amazingly in her own show. Although maybe part of the reason she came across so well was that the ensemble allowed her to bounce off against them and shine, but I think she could have been a fun lead.

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Besides all the pain and disasters happening on For All Mankind, at least we got to see Karen hang out with Wayne again. I always feel like Karen should just scream out all her frustrations and sadness but getting high with Wayne and actually talking things out is good too lol.

Lol, yes, beside all that. Actually, though, I thought the Disaster in the last ep unfolded so well? The use of music in that scene alone…. I just hope against hope that poor Harry Liu survived. 

Yeah! It was a relief to see where Karen ended up, you felt she was clearly (and understandably) unraveling. It was good she was able to get some of that out with Wayne. What good unlikely companions they’re becoming. 🙂

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the cobbs and the stevenses are the only valid het ships in fam. (not really f/f soz, its just that the fandom for this shows kinda nonexistent)

Heh, it’s fine, I’ve been known to ship the odd m/f couple. The Cobbs, Molly can do whatever Molly wants, but the Stevens, Gordo…I like him but I can so see every conflicted feeling Tracy has about him, he can be funny, charismatic, surprisingly caring, but god, along with that came a whole lot of other stuff.

It almost feels like he and Tracy would be AMAZING friends, how they were in the latest ep. And not even because I want Tracy to be with a woman, I’m fine with her story just being a supportive friend and apparently the most maverick astronaut of all, lol, I found it kind of hilarious and wonderful that no matter how privileged the male astronauts are, they all came up through the military, so even the most bullheaded and expert astronaut will bow to mission control’s decisions, they understand chain of command. But these women, the very act of getting this far has only come from bucking so many conventions and instructions, so Molly with the ice hunting for example, and then Tracy with Molly, they’re just not gonna listen. What’s the worst that could happen? What they’ve been secretly expecting would happen from the start?

But anyway, not to go off on a Tracy tangent, I mean, I do like Gordo on his own and I understand he’s struggled, but in their marriage, Tracy was the one who had to put up with so much. Maybe it’ll settle into a nicer balance like it’s kind of starting to, I’d be okay with that. But he’s still on probation with me.