Ohhh, do you think so? @dealanexmachina and I were actually discussing the focus on Val in that moment.
It couldn’t be that she was freaked out by it on the heels of a pretty traumatic few days because she offered the handhold in support a second after. We theorized maybe it was the realization of why the breakup and what Juls is going through, since Juls had mentioned her mom’s reaction as one of the factors behind it. Or maybe it was just because it is still more Val’s story, Maca being fifth billed, higher even than Claudia, Eva’s actress.
But you have brought up an entirely new and feasible theory. I’ll state up front that I have no idea about the different words for love in Spanish, but you could be spot on. Especially if it’s a confirmation to Val that, yeah, even if they’ve broken up, Juls still feels very strongly about her. Hmmmmm. But it is super romantic, to come out like that.
Well, it being a telenovela, the cheating just isn’t that big a thing, if people are even following that part of his story, I would guess there’s some tunnel vision toward characters and how they interact with Juliantina. And, well, the two things can be separate. It is a good thing to not be homophobic, whatever else.
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Mmm…what Lupe did was awful, but can you believe how accurate her reaction was to this?
The writer does deserve a lot of credit for getting so much of the dialogue so spot on, realistic and in a way that agrees with Lupe’s previous characterization of really loving Juls and thinking this comes from a place of protective love, while also showing how flat out wrong she is. It is different from Eva, who’s very much about the family name and reputation. Which brings me to…
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I think it’s interesting how we assumed Lupe would be a /little/ more accepting of Juls/Val given how they’ve presented their bond. If anything, Eva’s reaction was slightly better?? She did voice her ‘support’ (I use the term loosely) for sexual diversity in society, she only really gives a shit about it becoming scandalous for her family. Although she’s hurtful, Lupe’s words towards Juls were unbearably personal, and scary. Praying for those who have to face such treatment from loved ones.
It is interesting, isn’t it, we were like, well, she loves her, so much.
The audience would see that too. And yet…here we are.
Actually, I bet there aren’t a few people watching who might agree with her? That a loving parent should try to…help? their child and steer them away from this? Which is why it’s so important that the narrative has consistently shown her to be so wrong, it’s not even funny. If they see themselves in Lupita, they are getting an earful.
I don’t know if you can really qualify her or Eva’s reactions in a way where one is slightly better or less worse. Eva got super vicious in there too, remember, about ending alone, about how their parents would react. And in a way, isn’t it as bad to say, I’m fine with it in others but not you? Not my sister? I wouldn’t say Val felt particularly cheered by that general support for other gays, lol.
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i am in no way defending lupe– she’s definitely homophobic– but i do think that some of it comes from a genuine fear for Juliana. she spoke a lot about what this will mean for her in society and how they will treat her and that Juls has gone through too much already with El Chino as her father. i hope that her love for Juliana and desire to protect will eventually turn into her supporting them
Like I said above, I do agree that it’s from a protective place, but–actually, I think you sent this before last night’s ep, when she straight up call it indecent. And I mean, she’s the one who kept Chino in their lives… Still, I think she will come around.
Oh, okay, look at these little things we’re learning. 😀
But yeah, how did she forget for even a second? Shows how little she thought of romance before. Now she’s going to be the dreamiest, most romantic gf of all time.
Okay but did you noticed the bottle? She was drinking again while thinking about her first kiss… poor girl she just wants her girl back
You know what, I actually hadn’t noticed it. There was just so much gay onscreen.
But it’s right there. I don’t know, I would think that if we were supposed to take note, it would be a little more prominent. But maybe not, maybe it’s just an ever-present background thing. I think it is an encouraging thing that she wasn’t actually drinking in the scene we saw, instead distracting herself with thoughts of Juls. Just like…earlier that day, right? she was still paranoid about the cartel and now her mind is full of something else.
It really is pointing to that, isn’t it? :/ He’s like the best guy on the show, by far. And I actually really did like this corruption vs crusading journalists thread through this show of death and family and gays. They can’t kill ALL the good journalists, can they? Will it inspire Eva to come clean and kind of take over?
Juliana goes to Sergio, that is why Val & him confront each other. Val: but she is MY girlfriend. Sergio who only wanted to help: then take her jfc
So this theory goes with some of the other spoilers I’ve seen, though a little conflicting, but I’m not sure if that’s specifically going to come into play right now? So it’s still a little up in the air, although it seems likely.
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What if the narcos finds Juliana on the street and use her to find el chino omg
Oh, we’re jumping straight to danger, anon. It’s a possibility, we can’t rule anything out, everything’s going to start coming together now. I hope it doesn’t happen, but that’s actually not a terrible guess, the Chino/Beltran/narcos plot has to be resolved.
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I feel like Juls probably slept in the park where she met Val, she has a lot of fun happy memories with Val at the park, so I feel like that’s where she would’ve gone if she had no where else to sleep, for no other reason than to feel just a little bit close to Val even when she’s not there.
Now we’re going to emo territory, lol. You know, after they returned from Valle, I was wondering if they’d show Val acknowledge that Juls had just slept and woken next to her, maybe have her hug the pillow. I don’t know if this theory’s likely, but anything’s possible in this show.
And another anon:
Hear me out – What if Lupe goes to see Val to find Juliana. Val is worried that Juls is missing, and works with Lupe to find her. Lupe sees how much Val loves her daughter and starts the process of acceptance?
Huh. I mean, they do need to kickstart the reconciliation in some way and we’re running out of eps. If there’s one thing the two of them have in common, it’s their love for Juls.
I’d say the Sergio theory is most likely given that there are existing spoilers for it, but who knows, really. It might be none of these.
If we had to see them keep on facing homophobia, I’m so glad it’s being handled like this. Treating the homophobes with frank disdain, like their opinions are just that stupid and unworthy of consideration. I was actually a little worried there might be some backsliding during moments of vulnerability but they’ve been so strong.
*gasp* Anon! I had hoped and then forgotten but now you’ve rekindled my dreams. I know it won’t happen, but godddd, I would love that. I would love it so much.
That definitely has to be one of the best and most distinct things about this ship. I assume that’s why so much credit seems to be given to improvisation, some scenes seem so natural people literally can’t believe it was all intentionally written and directed that way.
Soaps and other daily shows tend to get less takes so you do get that feel of some lines being a little less polished but it’s pretty rare it actually elevates the scenes. I think it comes down to a lot of the writing actually being that natural and creating this dynamic where they are such breezy, fun friends,, to the directing, and the actors for selling it.
