yeah – it was clearly not intended to be that but rather an empowering message about women wanting and getting sex… anyway. i am looking forward to trying the new show actually, since i was sad over how totally 1×05 ruined the original for me.
Yeah, I can understand that. I think I was too young to really understand what was going on.
The new show isn’t GREAT, and it’s kind of funny that I’m engaging in this discussion about it as much as I have, I don’t love it that much, it isn’t my favorite new thing ever. I just think it’s fun and getting a bad rap for the wrong reasons and it all just seems unfair. And unless the consequences are dire, I usually judge by intention and ambition and they’re trying, you know? They’ve definitely messed up in how they sold the casting, but I personally am willing to see how it plays out.
yeah – it was clearly not intended to be that but rather an empowering message about women wanting and getting sex… anyway. i am looking forward to trying the new show actually, since i was sad over how totally 1×05 ruined the original for me.
Yeah, I can understand that. I think I was too young to really understand what was going on.
The new show isn’t GREAT, and it’s kind of funny that I’m engaging in this discussion about it as much as I have, I don’t love it that much, it isn’t my favorite new thing ever. I just think it’s fun and getting a bad rap for the wrong reasons and it all just seems unfair. And unless the consequences are dire, I usually judge by intention and ambition and they’re trying, you know? They’ve definitely messed up in how they sold the casting, but I personally am willing to see how it plays out.
@mswyrr replied to your post: I don’t know the details but I’m pretty sure the…
the original had an episode where one of the sisters used magic to rape a man… and it was depicted as funny/cute that she spent the weekend having wild sex with a man who magically could not consent… anything is more feminist than that tbqh
not to hate on it; the time period has to be taken into account. but i think it’s allowable to call the current show a new feminist take
i just checked; it was “dream sorcerer” episode 1×05. my netflix was still stopped right there on that episode where i ragequit it for depicting it as “empowering” for women to use a spell to control men into having sex with them… ugh. 1990s fauxminism
Eww, yikes. I think I might have watched that ep but I don’t remember much of it now? But, like you said, taking the time period into account, I can understand how they felt they were doing as well as they could, going for that specific girl power kind of feminism, similar to Buffy and Xena. Maybe the execution was lacking sometimes but taking the era and the length of the show and what else they produced into account, I get that they might even be proud of being a feminist show to begin with.
But both sides can be right. The old crew can have been proud of what they did, and the new show can be feminist in a different way, and it is! Its approach may not necessarily be better, but it is focusing on it in a very deliberate plot-centric way. The first episode alone had #MeToo protests, it had specific language and discussions, their mom was the head of the Women’s Studies department, it is accurate to say that it is a new kind of feminist show. So I wish they’d all had a chance to come to an understanding before the fighting got worse.
@shaloved30 replied to your post: I don’t know the details but I’m pretty sure the…
The only production things I have heard about the show is the one actress who i can never call her names had a production credit on the original and was vocal about not wanting the reboot, even going as far as telling folks not to watch. The things going on now is the upset with not all 3 actresses being latinx.
Right, Holly Marie Combs was pretty unhappy about things and I get that fans kind of absorbed that, she put a face on what people loved about the show so people would naturally be upset if she was upset. Though that’s taking one person’s feelings pretty far, downvoting and boycotting and running campaigns. And if it’s about that, then people should say so, instead of focusing on the acting and writing.
@caesir replied to your post: I don’t know the details but I’m pretty sure the…
It’s honestly just that. Nobody was particularly excited bc it’s the CW and then the new showrunners didn’t care to use the old show/actresses and one of the new actresses said something dumb and then HMC really showed her ass and basically asked people to boycott and it just snowballed. I mean, fandom doesn’t need a reason to be hateful and dogpile on something imagine when they’re being encouraged.
There’s an actual issue now bc two of the actresses aren’t latin but you now, most people only care bc now they have a valid reason to criticize.
I’m seeing the non-Latina actress news start to become bigger, but I totally agree with your last point, the people who hated it before are only bringing this in to their talking points to legitimize already existing hate, the downvoting and campaigning has been going on for much longer than this last week. There wasn’t a wellspring of support that suddenly changed after the news came out.
@mswyrr replied to your post: I don’t know the details but I’m pretty sure the…
the original had an episode where one of the sisters used magic to rape a man… and it was depicted as funny/cute that she spent the weekend having wild sex with a man who magically could not consent… anything is more feminist than that tbqh
not to hate on it; the time period has to be taken into account. but i think it’s allowable to call the current show a new feminist take
i just checked; it was “dream sorcerer” episode 1×05. my netflix was still stopped right there on that episode where i ragequit it for depicting it as “empowering” for women to use a spell to control men into having sex with them… ugh. 1990s fauxminism
Eww, yikes. I think I might have watched that ep but I don’t remember much of it now? But, like you said, taking the time period into account, I can understand how they felt they were doing as well as they could, going for that specific girl power kind of feminism, similar to Buffy and Xena. Maybe the execution was lacking sometimes but taking the era and the length of the show and what else they produced into account, I get that they might even be proud of being a feminist show to begin with.
But both sides can be right. The old crew can have been proud of what they did, and the new show can be feminist in a different way, and it is! Its approach may not necessarily be better, but it is focusing on it in a very deliberate plot-centric way. The first episode alone had #MeToo protests, it had specific language and discussions, their mom was the head of the Women’s Studies department, it is accurate to say that it is a new kind of feminist show. So I wish they’d all had a chance to come to an understanding before the fighting got worse.
@shaloved30 replied to your post: I don’t know the details but I’m pretty sure the…
The only production things I have heard about the show is the one actress who i can never call her names had a production credit on the original and was vocal about not wanting the reboot, even going as far as telling folks not to watch. The things going on now is the upset with not all 3 actresses being latinx.
Right, Holly Marie Combs was pretty unhappy about things and I get that fans kind of absorbed that, she put a face on what people loved about the show so people would naturally be upset if she was upset. Though that’s taking one person’s feelings pretty far, downvoting and boycotting and running campaigns. And if it’s about that, then people should say so, instead of focusing on the acting and writing.
@caesir replied to your post: I don’t know the details but I’m pretty sure the…
It’s honestly just that. Nobody was particularly excited bc it’s the CW and then the new showrunners didn’t care to use the old show/actresses and one of the new actresses said something dumb and then HMC really showed her ass and basically asked people to boycott and it just snowballed. I mean, fandom doesn’t need a reason to be hateful and dogpile on something imagine when they’re being encouraged.
There’s an actual issue now bc two of the actresses aren’t latin but you now, most people only care bc now they have a valid reason to criticize.
I’m seeing the non-Latina actress news start to become bigger, but I totally agree with your last point, the people who hated it before are only bringing this in to their talking points to legitimize already existing hate, the downvoting and campaigning has been going on for much longer than this last week. There wasn’t a wellspring of support that suddenly changed after the news came out.
mswyrr
replied to your post “I’ve been meaning to review some fics for a while now and it got to…”
i’ve found it easier to review more often now that i write rec posts more – it’s easier to explain to Tumblr why a fic is good and then i take what i said and rephrase it for the author and make that my review
Yeah, I try to follow that usually but in the fics I’ve been putting off, I really wanted to go into detail about a lot of specific lines I loved and choices they made. It’s harder to do that than making more general posts praising what you liked and hope others will.
trancer21 replied to your post “I’ve been meaning to review some fics for a while now and it got to…”
DON’T STRESS!! The fanfic world is in DIRE need of more reccers! Heck, just making a post about a fic you liked is enough!
Actually, although I’d meant leaving comments on fics in this post, I have been meaning to borrow from @ghostcat3000‘s cool idea of posting her favorite yuletide recs, except a f/f version. But like…I’ve been planning that since late December, so we can see how that’s going. I didn’t even stick to my No Gifsets Till All Fics are Reviewed rule…I decided to do one gifset per review. 😛 (But I couldn’t not gif Kylie Bunbury’s face, I’m not made of steel.)
mswyrr
replied to your post “I’ve been meaning to review some fics for a while now and it got to…”
i’ve found it easier to review more often now that i write rec posts more – it’s easier to explain to Tumblr why a fic is good and then i take what i said and rephrase it for the author and make that my review
Yeah, I try to follow that usually but in the fics I’ve been putting off, I really wanted to go into detail about a lot of specific lines I loved and choices they made. It’s harder to do that than making more general posts praising what you liked and hope others will.
trancer21 replied to your post “I’ve been meaning to review some fics for a while now and it got to…”
DON’T STRESS!! The fanfic world is in DIRE need of more reccers! Heck, just making a post about a fic you liked is enough!
Actually, although I’d meant leaving comments on fics in this post, I have been meaning to borrow from @ghostcat3000‘s cool idea of posting her favorite yuletide recs, except a f/f version. But like…I’ve been planning that since late December, so we can see how that’s going. I didn’t even stick to my No Gifsets Till All Fics are Reviewed rule…I decided to do one gifset per review. 😛 (But I couldn’t not gif Kylie Bunbury’s face, I’m not made of steel.)
mswyrr replied to your post: Seonam Girls High School Investigators…
WHOA. f/f in a kdrama??? WHOA. brave souls, more power to everyone involved!
Right?? It’s freaking huge! And apparently already being looked at by Korea’s ethics and censorship body…