Yeah, you’re probably right. But god, does she deserve to let it all out. Lupe’s still gotta apologize for the homophobia. I hope that doesn’t get minimized in the wake of all this.
Mmm maybe that’s because it’s part of their norms for Juls but also Lucia to get kidnap? I don’t know maybe the don’t feel like it’s a big deal
Lol, or it could be that. I don’t think Juls is quite the kidnap veteran Lucia is, and hopefully never will be, but she’s definitely been through some things.
I know a lot of people have been saying that Juliana’s so emotionless in that call – but I saw it as similar to how she was in the phone call whilst Val was being held hostage. This girl is like devastated, not eating, crying in her room after she’s broken up with the girl she’s in love with because everyone is against them – but she wipes her tears and puts on a brave face for her morrita cause the only way she’ll be able to get through a conversation with her is by pretending she’s fine (1/2)
(2/3) My head canon is that she’s doing the same thing here – she’s left home after fighting with her mum, had sex that she completely regrets and feels guilty about, got kidnapped, was beaten up and bruised and sexually harassed, held at gun point then rescued by a random claiming he is her father as well as the man currently occupying her father’s body – is it any wonder she’s totally overwhelmed?
And the only person who makes her feel safe, that could make this whole situation any better at all is the one that she pushed away, that everyone wants to keep her away from. Let’s not forget that Juls doesn’t know that Val has been told anything about her and Sergio or that the last time she saw Val she was hugging Lucho. She’s scared! She’s terrified! She’s an absolute mess!
But also she really needs just to hear Val’s voice but she’s so used to discounting her own feelings and pushing them down because she feels like she’s less than all the people that she’s around that she won’t let herself be vulnerable in front of Val – not when she knows that she’s done something that could jeopardise their relationship completely and shes going to get heartbroken when it comes out. (that was a lot of words im sorry lol)
Ooh, you might have hit it, anon. She does have a history of hiding her problems from Val. Even if Val has explicitly said not to, I think she kind of feels she’s lost that right, with recent events between them. And like you said, she’s not going to put herself into that place of vulnerability now either, since things are more precarious than ever.
Like, no question, she seemed to take the kidnapping more in stride than Val did, but that’s also because there was always something else to focus on, her mom’s safety, who her father was, the transmigration revelation, then her mom being the one losing it at their reunion, then having to play the peacemaker between her parents. She’s always had to be the grownup and caretaker and she just naturally took that role on again when calling Val.
Emotionless is quite different from absurdly cheerful, which is what she was. We’ll just have to see if that was because the scene was to highlight Val’s grief, we didn’t even see Juls’s face, or if any other theory bears out.
Chipmunk looking Sergio is just as bad as Lucho but in different ways. I knew I was justified in hating his ass
We were right to hate him all along.
And another anon:
I am so grateful to the tweet I saw w that spoiler a couple days ago Bc I had a visceral reaction to reading it, so I’m glad I had a couple days to process and decide not to watch til further notice. I think that warning allowed me to save some goodwill towards what we already had going for Juliantina so far. I gotta say tho, I am so fucking tired of f/f ships and lesbians/queer women being used to teach the heteros a lesson about not being homophobic pricks. It’s a slap in the face every time.
Good and prescient decision to listen to what everyone else considered a troll, lol. And that last one is a super fair point, buddy. One can argue the importance of teaching lessons, but goddamn, let us live.
Though, I guess on the other hand, if you’re not looking at it from a lesson point of view at all, what the repercussions are, it’s just a dumb jealousy and kinda cheating plot like the hets in telenovelas already get. If anything, they were a lot softer with this ship for a lot longer than we’d expected. And that’s how they got us.
And another anon:
As much as I hated it happened I’m just grateful we didn’t see anything and there was not a trace of doubt after it. Not trying to be nice, not anything. We got the least of evils we all know this could’ve so much more wrong than this. I’m emotionally drained for the night tho
Ah, I mean, yeah, I thought it was clear how much she hated it but well, that’s a low bar, huh. I still don’t think it was needed, but I do understand that aside from possibly teaching a lesson, it’s literally just drama for the sake of it. They had a good run without it but I guess they had to fall. I’m exhausted too, and we’re only on Tuesday.
And another anon:
On one of Maca’s and Barb’s videos today someone translated it and there was something where Maca said Val caught Juls with Sergio, but on the show, she didn’t catch them. Do you think that was a scene they filmed but didn’t go with, or do you think the translation was wrong or were Maca and Barb just bullshitting with us.
I think they were joking, that’s all. Any kind of deleted scene wouldn’t have fit in, since Val was still trying to reach her while Juls was kidnapped.
And another anon:
SPOILER that episode was too real… Not the kidnapping part (?) but the pressuring to do something…. God dammit so many things wrong this episode! (also Barbara acting tho)
Heh, thanks for the spoiler tag. Ugh, yeah, she looked so broken. Barbara was great, for real. You could tell how much it was all killing Juls.
And another anon:
Add something more why juliana doesn’t believe she is good for Val. My poor baby has to deal with all that; and then this?
Oof, yes, right? Her first thought was of Val. Man, that kid is going through it.
And another anon:
The thing that tears me up inside is knowing that apparently Juls cries about it right after?! Like, my poor poor baby… uggggh. She needs such a giant hug. Also, I will actually be pissed if their scene is more racy/revealing than the shower scene. That would be fucked up.
Right, what’s confusing me a lot about the reactions is she’s quite clearly the one who’s suffering the most here. Before she does it, the amount of confusion and self-loathing and doubt that brings her to this place, then during, then after? I don’t understand why people are mad at her when she’s madder at herself than we could ever be!
The show is not being vague or ambiguous about this. She feels like crap, she’s drinking, sleeping with a guy she’s visibly shown disgust for, and she’s crying like, through most of those scenes. We don’t need to see her internal processes or perspective more than that, that is all very, very clear in what we’re getting.
Like, maybe some of us do need this lesson, not just freaking straight homophobes in Mexico, but some of us for why somebody would do this. As if she should be blamed for this. For not listening to Val or giving her that chance to explain, for being too stubborn, sure, she should have listened. But if you can’t even grant the empathy to feel for her when she’s doing this, I don’t really what you’re doing watching a TV show that spells things out for you really clearly.
1/? ok, this ask might be a tad bit long, but bare with me: you probably get a lot of asks right now about the whole sergio/juliana thing, but I just wanted to share my story so people might understand juls a bit more? it seems like a lot of people in the fandom are mad about it (though I do understand the reaction, I understand Juls as well). the first time I thought about the posibility about liking girls I was 17. I had been with a couple of guys, never sexually, but still..
2/? and I was wondering why I never would develop feelings for them. that was when I first started questioning my sexuality. I was confused and I wasn’t really sure of my feelings because I had never been with a girl either. I get the whole «you don’t have to sleep with a guy to know you like girls», but honestly I had no clue about what I was feeling. I was 17, and I didn’t have any gay friends or didn’t know any gay people so of course it was hard for me to know what I was feeling.
3/? I was 17, and I didn’t have any gay friends or didn’t know any gay people so of course it was hard for me to know what I was feeling. could it be that I hadn’t meet the right guy, could it be that I was in fact into girls? those two questions haunted me every single day, and I guess not having anyone who was gay around made things much harder to understand.
4/? The first time I ever got butterflies in my stomach was in fact with a girl a year later. She was four years older than me and from common friends I knew she had more experience with both guys and girls than me who was still a virgin at 18. I was nervous about her judging me for being a virgin (I know it sounds silly), but coming from a 18 year old who was very confused – is not in fact silly at all.
5/?: We started talking and hanging out a lot and every day I got more and more nervous about her having a lot of experience, versus me who didn’t. Then I got drunk one night and had sex with a guy. I knew immediately that it was a mistake and trust me if I could go back I would never do it again. But honestly, I get Juls situation. She is what, 18 years old? experiencing love for the first time and being told how wrong it is, that is not exactly easy dealing with.
6/?: And then when she in fact visit Val who is said girl she is in love with hugging and crying with her ex boyfriend? Like how bad wouldn’t that make anybody feel. I say it is a perfectly normal reaction to anybody that age who is not sure of their sexual orientation to experience with a guy as well.
7/7: Though I am a bit mad about the timing and her doing it before giving Val a chance to explain, I do get her reaction as well. She is allowed to outrage when seeing someone she loves in the arms of someone else. Honestly I think I would have done the exact same thing given the circumstances.
Thanks for sharing that, anon, I think there are people who do kind of do understand that this happens, for you, for many other young gays, but not how. So this was enlightening, because for a lot of us, there wasn’t the same pressure and confusion, so it’s difficult to process how it could lead to that. But I think, in the abstract, we can all understand how socialization, especially of younger girls, especially in certain environments, can lead to that.
I think what some fans are having trouble with is, for one thing, this being written into a fictional show, it’s their choice to go there, not the frankly…unhappy way of how it happens in real life? And yes, while we are dealing with a world that’s very messy, kidnappings and affairs and cheating, oh my, Juliantina, as we said repeatedly, seemed isolated from that, in this wonderful bubble of being well written and soft and not misunderstanding things and doing outrageous things because of that and basically free from a lot of tropes we hated.
We let ourselves lower our guard enough to think maybe, in avoiding all the easy ways it could have gone there before, it would keep doing that. Add to that the fact that Juls (and Val) have been written as strong in the face of homophobia so far, it seems so counter intuitive for Juls to bow to it now. And their love has been shown to be so strong that it’s overcome so much, and now this feels like a blow.
I really wish they hadn’t done it, it’s so messy and it’s a trope we hate for a reason, buuuut I also do see the other side of things.
As much as I do hate the involvement of men in f/f stories, I do think that the way they’re writing this is informative for the audience in mind. They’re not showing that lesbians can sleep with men, they’re saying Lupe’s arguments are wrong and lead to heartbreak. Lupe’s arguments that I’m sure a lot of viewers share. That isn’t even just in Mexico or other countries with emerging LGBT awareness, that’s something a lot of morons in a lot of places think.
Which makes it suck that Juls bowed to it, no doubt, but better a fictional character than a real person. And I do agree with you, Anon, that her circumstances are particularly terrible and make her vulnerable. People have not been able to see Juls’s perspective at a lot of different points when I think the writing has mostly clearly telegraphed it.
She’s not going to enjoy it, she’s seeing it as a mechanical effort and will always be in love with Val, thinking she’s out of her reach. It’s just one part of a long story, which has mostly been very great so far.
