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Which are your thoughts about Pam and Ellen on the finale of “For all mankind”? ?

Okay, I stayed up to watch this and remain unspoiled even though I have a work deadline tomorrow, so I have to sleep right after, but, let me post below the cut.

I loved it! I loved it I loved it I loved it. 

What a tense, good hour (and 15 minutes!) of TV, with all the various arcs, and this is the number one preference I have for a show, where it’s a well written well executed genre show with wlw part of it, they’re part of the main action, they’re there, they make an impact, as characters, and their relationship is given a chance to shine.

Ellen telling Deke had me already so hyped and then his reaction broke my heart, I loved Deke, my favorite guy on the show, I’m so glad he redeemed himself on that and I really will miss him so much, Marge realizing was so effective. But the moment they showed Pam watching, I freaking KNEW where they were going, to parallel her watching it unfold with everyone else, her always on the outside, I couldn’t have DREAMED they’d bring Karen in to bond with her and like, I’m so curious to know what it is she thinks after seeing Pam that emotional about it, like, does she suspect about Ellen or does she think Pam’s in love with Deke or Ed or Harry? 

I’m fine with how things were left, this is the end of season 1 only, there’s so much plot to go through, and they showed so much already, through both Ellen up there and Pam down there, this is what a bulk of the finale was focused on! To give their story that kind of focus, and that kind of sympathy!

And to end with freaking Commander Ellen Waverly (I’m not gonna use Wilson) as the lone woman on the moon, the female John Glenn/Ed Baldwin/Captain America type, I love that! 

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Hopefully on the next episode of for all mankind we see a worried pam since we have no idea what happened to ellen yet. I know they aren’t together anymore but i’m sure pam still cares a lot for ellen.

I was thinking the exact same thing, anon! I’ve watched that last scene a bunch of times, mostly for the tension ratcheting up, and then the Molly rescue, and it was certainly suspenseful to have TWO ships in trouble at the same time, but 24 literally went off screen and all focus shifted to 25.The last we hear of it is that it’s still all quiet and gonna miss the moon by a large distance and from that I’ve seen people say Ellen dies, which she might still, but she hasn’t yet, not in this ep.

If you watch the start, the burst of speed when the engine fires knocks her head against the console, presumably unconscious, and that’s why 24 goes silent. I expect most of the last ep to deal with her waking up and helping Deke, or maybe be helped by him if he’s able to get inside, and then they have to figure out how to either get to the moon after all or get home. If she dies, it’ll be in this ep (and obviously I hope it won’t happen).

And through that all, I better see Pam watching it unfold and be concerned as heck! Otherwise, what even is the point of it all.

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Besides all the pain and disasters happening on For All Mankind, at least we got to see Karen hang out with Wayne again. I always feel like Karen should just scream out all her frustrations and sadness but getting high with Wayne and actually talking things out is good too lol.

Lol, yes, beside all that. Actually, though, I thought the Disaster in the last ep unfolded so well? The use of music in that scene alone…. I just hope against hope that poor Harry Liu survived. 

Yeah! It was a relief to see where Karen ended up, you felt she was clearly (and understandably) unraveling. It was good she was able to get some of that out with Wayne. What good unlikely companions they’re becoming. 🙂

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the cobbs and the stevenses are the only valid het ships in fam. (not really f/f soz, its just that the fandom for this shows kinda nonexistent)

Heh, it’s fine, I’ve been known to ship the odd m/f couple. The Cobbs, Molly can do whatever Molly wants, but the Stevens, Gordo…I like him but I can so see every conflicted feeling Tracy has about him, he can be funny, charismatic, surprisingly caring, but god, along with that came a whole lot of other stuff.

It almost feels like he and Tracy would be AMAZING friends, how they were in the latest ep. And not even because I want Tracy to be with a woman, I’m fine with her story just being a supportive friend and apparently the most maverick astronaut of all, lol, I found it kind of hilarious and wonderful that no matter how privileged the male astronauts are, they all came up through the military, so even the most bullheaded and expert astronaut will bow to mission control’s decisions, they understand chain of command. But these women, the very act of getting this far has only come from bucking so many conventions and instructions, so Molly with the ice hunting for example, and then Tracy with Molly, they’re just not gonna listen. What’s the worst that could happen? What they’ve been secretly expecting would happen from the start?

But anyway, not to go off on a Tracy tangent, I mean, I do like Gordo on his own and I understand he’s struggled, but in their marriage, Tracy was the one who had to put up with so much. Maybe it’ll settle into a nicer balance like it’s kind of starting to, I’d be okay with that. But he’s still on probation with me.

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Thoughts on the last episode for For All Mankind?

I….did not care for it. I thought it went way too grim. For not enough payoff. To see the lone American man on the moon under emotional duress? Or the drama of keeping a secret like this from someone on the moon? The plot points and characters and character traits it explored and developed were just not enough to go there. 

I’d even have accepted like…if it cost Tracy her place in the program, staying with Karen. Not that I’d have wanted that, but at least it’d be something where a woman was being punished for what women are expected to do, support each other in times like this, even though it’s something all decent humans should be doing and women disproportionately carrying the burden of. So it’d be a particular consequence of this alt timeline where she’s in a job like that but still facing a woman’s responsibilities. Just anything that would be unique to the situation the show has set up or even relevant to that era, either one, but it was just a very specific one-off situation that might have happened even now, right, an astronaut and their family separated as something terrible happens at home. 

I even expected the Russians to come and meet him face to face, THAT would also be something worth all this, that this man alone has just lost his son. Maybe it’ll be in the next ep. Or we’re gonna see a drunk on the moon. I don’t know. But no, I didn’t care for it. I know that it seems like I’m only against f/f deaths, but I’m against a lot of deaths and deep traumas that don’t do much. Will this make Ed leave the program? Will he be dealing with it for the rest of his time on the show, as he should? I guess I’ll have to reserve judgment to see if the payoff comes after this.

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For All Mankind really said that the heiress, aeronautical engineer, pilot, and astronaut was gonna be a lesbian named Ellen Waverly. And that she was gonna be played by the beautiful Jodi Balfour.

Haha, right, the Mrs. Bennet part of me that’s still like HOW many pounds a year? was all swooning at that whole buildup. That FBI agent should write her bio. “First of all, your mom is from New York old money. Then your dad makes a ton of more money. A pilot as a teen, MIT, aeronautical engineer, astronaut. You have the pedigree, the money, the brains, the looks. So why do you, literal perfect woman, want to be with…a gay?” And she’s ours. :>

I actually wish we’d see some of her home life, actually. Are her parents supportive? Proud? What about pressure to marry? Did she work harder on a career so she’d have an excuse and an alternative to romance? But I feel like the more of THAT we find out, it’s because it’s going to hurt even more than what we’re already seeing.