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There’s a scene earlier on that’s left unsubbed in this cut, where Mei orders Ram to let her talk to Lu alone, it’s subbed in the official versions. I love it, it’s very charged and secretly romantic once you know, so I’d hunt it up if possible, from ep 2, around 14 minutes in. If you can’t, I did make a gifset of it.
Oh, I do agree, the couple of scenes in ep 2 with Mei speaking to Lu as CAPCOM and seeing Lu so reverential and emotional when others bring up Mei, that’s part of them, but while I usually encourage people to watch full shows to see interactions and character behavior outside the ship because I think the experience is enhanced, I couldn’t really justify suggesting the whole other 9 eps just for those few scenes. Not when it’s so little and there are so many scenes without even Lu.
Of course, if they want to watch from the start, that’s great, I’m not really speaking to them so much as the people who are reluctant to start at all or continue past ep 1, I think ep 3 is still worth the try, or even better, All the Lillies’ cut which includes scenes past it.
Oh, I never know what my followers are doing…a suspicious bunch. 😛
You’re talking about Maeve and Nicole, right? I don’t knowwww. I hear good things about them, but my first exposure to the show was Nicole and another woman, who I rather liked, and even then it seemed a long list of storylines with Nicole and women which ended badly and then it did. People say this seems different, but how do we really know, given it’s started in March and already rushed into a wedding? Take a bit of time! But that might just be my personal preference.
I didn’t know one of the actresses was a lesbian in real life, that might actually ensure better treatment. I dunnnnno. I mean, Kana got more than a year and then look what happened. But that is the thing with soaps, right, even if they implode in a year or three, it’s more about the journey, and it looks like these two have a solid one already. Fine, fine, you’ve convinced me! 😛 I’ll take a look at it.
Yay, the good thing about delaying answering these asks is that now I have the benefit of knowing from Devon’s interviews how she was playing these, so that totally affects how I think of that scene.
Although even without that, I tend to go very conservative (as in playing it safest and lowballing, not…being a rights-denying bigot) with how I read f/f scenes, just from years of not wanting to hope for too much or be called delusional or even predatory, thinking it’s more Objective to see less explicit f/f even when canon, which is–that’s a whole separate issue–but it is how I am, so I was already thinking it was more just April catching herself, realizing how emotional and upset she was getting, losing control of herself and pulling back.
And that’s backed by Devon’s interviews now, she wasn’t playing it overtly as April realizing there was something sexual or romantic there, not that that isn’t still a possible layer in all this, in fact, in canon it IS there in the whole arc, there IS some physical awareness of Sterling growing in April, but for the most part, no, I didn’t read that as the same kind of awakening for her as it was for Sterling. I mean, it wouldn’t have been an “awakening” in the same sense even, she’s long known how she feels about women, but I still don’t think it was her going, oh no, this is an intense Adele sitch. I think she was just so upset and bothered by everything in her world then, her family, Craig Wu, and most especially Sterling, things like crushes and romance were not on her mind at all, not even to suddenly snap her out of the spiraling mood.
Ah, yay! Didn’t the trajectory of the season really build up to so much drama and action and rooting for everyone in these amazing absurd space stunts! It started off kind of dryly political (and super male-centric) and then was just like, Armageddon time. The way the show SHIFTED after the second ep and then built up to these female heroes. :> It was so emotional at the end, I still don’t know how to fit in some of the last ep’s stuff into gifs, but I want to! Ellen’s final jump…
Hmmm, for next season, tbh, I hope we get more than what we saw in the trailer. Somehow events in this alt timeline changing but changing so much they cancel themselves out and we STILL get a damn cold war, but in space? I don’t want that to be the main part of s2, I’m hoping it’s a fakeout like the first two eps of s1 and actually s2 will be mostly about something else. I mean, I know that the competition against the Russians has been the impetus behind much of the changes in the timeline but hopefully things have changed enough that they can continue on their own. I hope there are all kinds of equal rights movements that get a head start, for sure I want Ellen to be happy, ideally with Pam. I want more POC because there should be, the talent’s always been there and much of the point of the alt timeline is to do what we didn’t.
It’s tough, I do get that they have to balance so much, the full show’s arc with a seasonal arc with episodic arcs with character arcs. They can’t do too much or too little at once, different people will be doing different things and have different new dynamics with other people. I just–I guess my biggest hope is that it stays more hopeful than cynical. 🙂
Wait, when was it that it became obvious to you, so you stopped watching, I mean? As in, in the middle of s3 or even after, meaning you watched at least some of Clexa live and didn’t get into it or before that? Because for me it was after like the first few eps, and then I spent the next couple of years resolutely not watching even when Clexa started to take over my dash.
It’s neat to be able to take what I’ve learned about my ship tastes and preferences in the last couple of years, very much in part due to analyzing what’s worked in ships for me with anons, and see why I didn’t originally warm up to it and also why I then fell so hard for it. For me, it’s exactly as you said, I originally viewed the show as grimdark edgelord, where characters were meant to suffer. And I now know explicitly what would have just been a vague feeling then that I don’t like that, I want at least the possibility of endgame, a chance to hope. And after the s2 finale, my choice felt vindicated.
And then the news of ADC returning for s3 spread and I did have some FOMO, lol, but still thought it just wouldn’t be that kind of show, relationships would always be secondary. But the bow, man! The framing of that was so romantic, so soulmate-y. Objectively so! I love that kind of thing, all mutually transformational and pining and devoted. You’re saying you weren’t into them then?? I read a few fics at the time, I remember, mostly AU because I wanted to see where the show would go in canon instead of seeing how ficcers dealt with it (lol).
And of course that framing was why what came after was so painful, a bait and switch of the worst type, exacerbated by the underrepresented marginalized group they were leading on. I dove pretty deeply into fics then, canon and AU, and only slowly moved into other fandoms. Which fic did you read that made you get into them? And yeah, I guess they’re still big, or at least, the once and always fans who’ve returned now show how it’ll always be remembered. But man, it was something then, a singular force. I’ve never seen anything like that for f/f. But I guess if you missed out on that, you also missed out on how it all ended, which, not the worst thing!
You got kind of the best of both worlds, being able to get into it without the shock and then getting her back! I know it wasn’t her her, everyone does, the feelings are so mixed, but I think it still ended up providing a bit of closure and healing something that’d been scabbed over for four years. Part of what hurt so much then was that we knew that on every level, Lexa was something amazing, even as just a business decision, never mind as an artistic and representational character. We’re always told that part of the reason we don’t get more mainstream f/f content is that the audience support isn’t there, but it was here, critical and commercial success in every way! And yet, none of that was enough to save her, they would rather hurt the show than keep her. It was shocking and such a clear reminder of our place in the world, or so it felt. So to see her come back at the end and be treated even a little as how we always saw her, this hugely significant person to Clarke and the show and even closing off the whole series, it finally settled something in us that’d been feeling so wrong all these years. As you said, even as a loss, it felt like a win.
Ah, okay, I mean, for sure, they absolutely know so much of the fandom is international, and it can absolutely be a two-way thing where THEY want fans to feel more included, which is lovely. And like, I don’t think they hate having this diverse fandom army, I’m remembering the TVyNovelas awards, heh.
Anyway, I’m glad it isn’t a big issue and I don’t think anyone really thinks it is, they just want it to not becomes one. I feel like they do get that being more famous means stuff like this comes with the territory. But of course it’s on people to police themselves too and be respectful, being one of many doesn’t mean you can just say anything and assume it won’t be seen.
Yeah, I get what you mean! Her answers come across as something she puts a lot of thought into, not always what we wanted to hear, but it does make them seem more genuine. I mean, obviously she plays along quite often with the fandom, lots of banter, but when it’s something serious, it feels more respectful to trust the fandom to get where she’s coming from. And for sure, the amount she’s learned and grown through this is all is heartening.
And it can definitely seem, even when people are mostly being nice, overwhelming when you’re getting told a lot of one thing and it’s all about how you got something wrong. Things were so heady in the early days, you can see, as with WN and TBH recently, when actors really appreciate that boost in attention and then it can start to feel like a lot. I think she’s understood now how she wants to engage with fandom and struck a healthy balance.
Aw, thank you! I’ll try to post more, although for the next few days I’ll be focusing on fandoms with no f/f. But after that!