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I finally watched for all mankind! Now I’m just left with all these feelings like that finale. I saw all your gifs and posts but still wasn’t prepared lol What are you hoping for next season?

Ah, yay! Didn’t the trajectory of the season really build up to so much drama and action and rooting for everyone in these amazing absurd space stunts! It started off kind of dryly political (and super male-centric) and then was just like, Armageddon time. The way the show SHIFTED after the second ep and then built up to these female heroes. :> It was so emotional at the end, I still don’t know how to fit in some of the last ep’s stuff into gifs, but I want to! Ellen’s final jump…

Hmmm, for next season, tbh, I hope we get more than what we saw in the trailer. Somehow events in this alt timeline changing but changing so much they cancel themselves out and we STILL get a damn cold war, but in space? I don’t want that to be the main part of s2, I’m hoping it’s a fakeout like the first two eps of s1 and actually s2 will be mostly about something else. I mean, I know that the competition against the Russians has been the impetus behind much of the changes in the timeline but hopefully things have changed enough that they can continue on their own. I hope there are all kinds of equal rights movements that get a head start, for sure I want Ellen to be happy, ideally with Pam. I want more POC because there should be, the talent’s always been there and much of the point of the alt timeline is to do what we didn’t.

It’s tough, I do get that they have to balance so much, the full show’s arc with a seasonal arc with episodic arcs with character arcs. They can’t do too much or too little at once, different people will be doing different things and have different new dynamics with other people. I just–I guess my biggest hope is that it stays more hopeful than cynical. 🙂

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My feelings about trek: disco rely on whether Michelle Yeoh is in an episode so maybe I’ll enjoy season 3

Honestly, same. She brings this ENERGY to the show, I loved her even as prime Georgiou so it’s not like I need her to be this fun Delle Seyah-like semi-villain, I just like watching her no matter what. Her dynamic with Michael just jumps over the kind of still developing relationships she has with the other characters.

I am curious how much of s3 she’ll be in, though, given that her spin-off’s still going ahead as far as I know? Or was at least still planned when they were writing and shooting this, so what did they have in mind for her to get to a place where that would start? I just hope she’ll still be in s4, then, it’ll be sorely lacking without her.

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wait is raised by wolves gay also less importantly is it good?

It’s not gay, not everything I post is! Just 95%. 😛 But no, it’s not gay and tbh, I’m not sure if it’s good. 

It’s weird and there’s stuff I haven’t liked the whole way through, but was willing to see where they went with because it was so weird, I was genuinely curious to see where they were going, but having just finished the season finale, Ridley Scott and whoever else is behind this…like, they need some more voices in that writing and decision-making room. The treatment of POC and women is eeesh and not in a way where they seem to be proving a point but more like–well, if it is proving a point, then they’re doing so by just doing the same thing themselves, so I don’t love that. The season finale has this VERY weird thing, I mean, like, be careful of body horror triggers the whole way through but the finale does something very grotesque, and at the expense of a character in a way I’m not sure they’re equipped to handle. I dunno, I wouldn’t recommend it just yet, unless you’re already interested in the premise of weird-ass scifi with some tropes favored by old white guys mixed in.

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I stopped watching t100 once it became obvious the plot was ‘and they all suffered forever’. But this year I read my first ever Clexa fic and kinda got into it the whole thing. I never quite cared for them when they were big(I guess they’re still big) but it was so nice to see Lexa come back. Even in the weird ass circumstances. Idk it was like sometimes we lose, but we still win.

Wait, when was it that it became obvious to you, so you stopped watching, I mean? As in, in the middle of s3 or even after, meaning you watched at least some of Clexa live and didn’t get into it or before that? Because for me it was after like the first few eps, and then I spent the next couple of years resolutely not watching even when Clexa started to take over my dash.

It’s neat to be able to take what I’ve learned about my ship tastes and preferences in the last couple of years, very much in part due to analyzing what’s worked in ships for me with anons, and see why I didn’t originally warm up to it and also why I then fell so hard for it. For me, it’s exactly as you said, I originally viewed the show as grimdark edgelord, where characters were meant to suffer. And I now know explicitly what would have just been a vague feeling then that I don’t like that, I want at least the possibility of endgame, a chance to hope. And after the s2 finale, my choice felt vindicated. 

And then the news of ADC returning for s3 spread and I did have some FOMO, lol, but still thought it just wouldn’t be that kind of show, relationships would always be secondary. But the bow, man! The framing of that was so romantic, so soulmate-y. Objectively so! I love that kind of thing, all mutually transformational and pining and devoted. You’re saying you weren’t into them then?? I read a few fics at the time, I remember, mostly AU because I wanted to see where the show would go in canon instead of seeing how ficcers dealt with it (lol).

And of course that framing was why what came after was so painful, a bait and switch of the worst type, exacerbated by the underrepresented marginalized group they were leading on. I dove pretty deeply into fics then, canon and AU, and only slowly moved into other fandoms. Which fic did you read that made you get into them? And yeah, I guess they’re still big, or at least, the once and always fans who’ve returned now show how it’ll always be remembered. But man, it was something then, a singular force. I’ve never seen anything like that for f/f. But I guess if you missed out on that, you also missed out on how it all ended, which, not the worst thing! 

You got kind of the best of both worlds, being able to get into it without the shock and then getting her back! I know it wasn’t her her, everyone does, the feelings are so mixed, but I think it still ended up providing a bit of closure and healing something that’d been scabbed over for four years. Part of what hurt so much then was that we knew that on every level, Lexa was something amazing, even as just a business decision, never mind as an artistic and representational character. We’re always told that part of the reason we don’t get more mainstream f/f content is that the audience support isn’t there, but it was here, critical and commercial success in every way! And yet, none of that was enough to save her, they would rather hurt the show than keep her. It was shocking and such a clear reminder of our place in the world, or so it felt. So to see her come back at the end and be treated even a little as how we always saw her, this hugely significant person to Clarke and the show and even closing off the whole series, it finally settled something in us that’d been feeling so wrong all these years. As you said, even as a loss, it felt like a win.

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Maca and Barbara actually asked in the live to send in questions in English and they would answer in English! This time around I really didn’t get the vibe that people were pushy about them speaking in English. Barbie said she’s shy about it but maca kept reassuring her that she’s actually really good at it. I agree that it can get pushy when there’s so many people asking them, but I really think they know their audience is so wide that they want everyone to feel included and welcome

Ah, okay, I mean, for sure, they absolutely know so much of the fandom is international, and it can absolutely be a two-way thing where THEY want fans to feel more included, which is lovely. And like, I don’t think they hate having this diverse fandom army, I’m remembering the TVyNovelas awards, heh.

Anyway, I’m glad it isn’t a big issue and I don’t think anyone really thinks it is, they just want it to not becomes one. I feel like they do get that being more famous means stuff like this comes with the territory. But of course it’s on people to police themselves too and be respectful, being one of many doesn’t mean you can just say anything and assume it won’t be seen.

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That’s one thing I’ve always liked about Barbara is that she’s always so honest in her answers. Albeit sometimes too honest! But she’s definitely come a long way in the past few years. Her willingness to learn and not taking things to heart or think the fans are attacking her (bc sometimes it can seem that way, it’s so hard to articulate online without sounding like you’re bullying someone to understand- not sure if that makes sense).

Yeah, I get what you mean! Her answers come across as something she puts a lot of thought into, not always what we wanted to hear, but it does make them seem more genuine. I mean, obviously she plays along quite often with the fandom, lots of banter, but when it’s something serious, it feels more respectful to trust the fandom to get where she’s coming from. And for sure, the amount she’s learned and grown through this is all is heartening. 

And it can definitely seem, even when people are mostly being nice, overwhelming when you’re getting told a lot of one thing and it’s all about how you got something wrong. Things were so heady in the early days, you can see, as with WN and TBH recently, when actors really appreciate that boost in attention and then it can start to feel like a lot. I think she’s understood now how she wants to engage with fandom and struck a healthy balance.

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Hi, I have followed you since your post about TBH and I like that you share your opinion with others about any particular show that you have watched. So, I would like to recommend you to watch a Korean TV movie episode of 3 named SF8: Joan’s Galaxy. It is a sci-fi genre movie and little bit similar to San Junipero episode in the Black Mirror. I would really love to hear your opinion about this movie and hope other people will watch it too as I still cannot move on from this movie.

Oh, nice, and thank you! But I do have to say that a large part of why I loved San Junipero was because of its canon f/f nature, and the happy ending, without either of those I’d regard it quite differently. But I’ll add your show to the list, I do like an anthology. 

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Do you ever think about the fact that Mei had one piece of Lu to keep with her (the slip of paper with “I love you” written on it), and that got taken away from her? Just something I personally think about a lot.

I didn’t! I didn’t even think about that. ;_; I was assuming she’d have other things of Lu’s but they practiced at Lu’s place, there’s no reason Mei would have taken anything else from there, she would never have thought she’d lose this. Gosh, in her little apartment, she must have felt so alone and even a little scared, cut off from everything, gossiped and whispered about, because of course the rumors spread so fast even freaking Jack heard them. 

She must have wondered what Lu would think after the CAPCOM position was replaced, whether she’d be worried or if the attraction of space and Mars together with time and distance would have put this thing with Mei behind her as some kind of temporary emotional fling. So glad Lu got through to her because it was absolute proof of her devotion, she could absolutely work out for herself the effort Lu would have put to get that one private call. And now she’s going to have to hold it close and live off of it for two and a half years…

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How do you feel about the other storylines in Away? Especially the last few episodes. To me, the story bits focused on Emma and Ram’s relationship before/after they went on the spacewalk was kind of cheap storytelling just to keep the show/drama going.

I’m trying not to be too vocal about it but I was just not a general fan of Ram at all. I was already rolling my eyes at his “oh, I’m a womanizer, aren’t I so naughty, but ACTUALLY I just don’t want to get too close to people because of my tragic past” characterization but the way he then handled the Lu/Mei gossip? Nahhhh. And his selfishness in telling Emma, “I needed you to know”, right, right, YOU needed it. 

Having said that, it feels like the main point of the show IS this kind of drama, the Mars journey is just to facilitate it. Like, I was rolling my eyes at getting both Emma/Ram AND Melissa/Matt, but that feels like more their main priority than the space stuff. Everything they do, Ram’s mono, the lack of water, Misha’s blindness, it’s not about the space aspect but how it’ll affect the characters and their dynamics. Which, super not my thing, but again, that’s how we got Lu/Mei, soooo, I can’t be super mad about it. Like, not every show has to be my thing. It never set out to be a space thriller, the posters and trailer were accurate, it’s a Lifetime/Hallmark series set in space. I’m sure for the people who want that, it fed them.