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This ties into one of your other responses, but Juliantina is also so remarkable/ different from our other ships Bc it’s already done. It has a set end, the show isn’t trying to get critical acclaim to garner a bigger fanbase and get another season only to toss aside the f/f ship that delivered the fandom. We’ve seen it time & time again, but as a novela it has no stakes in doing that and is delivering quality content anyways. Bless Mexico, I hope it delivers to the end.

Right, right, you sent this when we were discussing what was it that went into Juliantina to make it this good. And while this doesn’t address that, it definitely adds to what a marvel it’s turned out to be. 

I don’t necessarily agree that there is deliberate intent in most shows hyping up f/f and then discarding them, like, wouldn’t they simply want to continue the praise with very little effort if they could (excluding The 100, whose behavior was egregious by any standards)? But I do think there is at least the awareness among most shows made in the UK/US/Canada, however the individual execution, that including these relationships will get them attention. And I don’t know if AAM was aware of that? I don’t think there’s been any precedent that they could look at for a fandom explosion of this sort. 

So then effectively anticipating, if anything, a negative response, they went ahead and did so well by this story! I don’t know how or why, but you’re right, it does make it better to know how…relatively well-intentioned they were. They wanted to tell this story, they didn’t just include a token pair off to the side, they took crucial characters and gave them crucial roles that the romance wove right through, all without really thinking of the response. It is pretty mindboggling. 

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I dont think chinos body is going to survive the end of the show, he’s being chased by criminals but also chased by the police, I think el chino is going to stay in Beltran’s body or sacrifice himself for his family, which family is it will remain to be seen lol.

It better be for freaking Lupe and Juls! After everything he put them through. Hmph.

And another anon:

so is the story that Juls told Vale to put her to sleep fake? cause El Chino definitely wouldn’t have done something like that. did she just come up with that on the spot? damn she is a good storyteller

She is, to think of it up on the spot, not that it was a particularly inventive, elaborate story on its own, but that it was perfect for what Val would want to hear in that moment, a soothing cute story with her father. Y’all have convinced me, it’s probably not real…

And another anon, five seconds ago:

Wait Juls came out to her mom?? When??

No, no, I meant that people are focusing on Lupe as the only person Juls has to deal with when coming out. And yeah, really, she is the only person who matters to Juls, but there has to be a moment when Chino finds out, surely? And despite everything, I’m betting his opinion still matters to her.

ETA: And no, Juls hasn’t come out to Lupe yet.

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Is this how straight people feel when their ship survives close encounters with death time after time? Because let me tell you, watching them both get out of such a violent situation unscathed will keep me hyped till next year! I guess narcos know better, they don’t let bald men hold guns near the gays lol

Lol, bald men with guns. Or just contrived, “edgy” writing.

I know this is a few days late and was in regards to the hostage situation and shootout but I’ve been thinking about our reactions to Val’s Thirst and isn’t that the rub of it? Straight people don’t feel our highs because it’s normal for them, they expect it. No way any of them would actually be worried for Jacobo or Lucia at this stage, for example. Yeah, it sucks we have to suffer years of deprivation to make the tiny gains feel like major victories, but they’ll never feel how we did at Korrasami, lol.

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My doubts that Juliana was not Chino’s daughter is over. Panchito said that Lupe and him never actually did more than kissing back in their younger years

Oh, right, that little mystery had been percolating for a bit. It does help to know for sure, now, since the whole father-daughter thing is going to be huge in the next weeks for both our girls.

Makes his treatment of her even worse, not that wasn’t terrible already, but that even that little thing is some made up offense in his mind. I wonder how it’ll affect future storylines, in that, will they get a chance to have a real father-daughter talk and sort out some things? I don’t really expect Chino to survive the show but I really have no idea what will happen. And while we’ve all talked about Lupe’s POTENTIAL reaction to Juls coming out, what will Chino?

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Did you notice Chivis greeting Juls?? Did she finally get over being mad at Juls??? It’s probably the first time since their first meeting that she greeted her and she doesn’t sound irritated. Has Eva’s ‘No juliana allowed in any carvajal property’ been revoked or they just ignoring her now? And like, Val said yesterday that she’s scared to go out but she still went to Camilo’s office with Juls instead of asking him to come to her house. I cant believe we’re being fed this well by juliantina ?

They add so many teeny little details to make it better and richer.

At first I thought Juliana’s greeting was a bit passive aggressive like, hi, can’t ignore me or be mean to me in front of Val, but then Chivis was pretty nice to her back, so maybe the point was Chivis being nice because, as she’d said at the start of the little interaction, Val was doing a lot better, and well, the reason just said hi.

I’m pretty curious to know if the rule has been lifted or if people are ignoring it. It is kinda important with respect to how Val’s sister, one of the biggest obstacles to their relationship, feels about Juls, but since the thawing of that would be put on screen, we can only assume people are ignoring it. 

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Isn’t it possible that the writers actually wrote that couch scene at Camilo in such way and Maca was doing everything accordingly? I know she’s known for her tendency to improvise but perhaps we need to give the writers some credit too (unless of course there’s news somewhere that that scene really was all Maca’s improvisation). But either way, we so deserve them but we so don’t, we’re not ready. You know what I’m saying?

Oh, I absolutely do think the writers wrote in something. I could be wrong and whichever way it happened, full kudos to Maca because she executed it perfectly and to the editors and directors as well, but when you think about what actual new information was conveyed in that whole almost minute of staring, was there anything? They didn’t need to pad it out with all that, to be frank, mumbo jumbo. The point of that last bit was Val’s staring at Juls, flat out. 

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So apart that Val is a gay mess; others reasons why she could stop looking at juliana? She snuggles and remember Juls scene; which she loves. Juliana snuggles back; after they broke up is a big deal. Juliana is very polite to Camilo even if she didn’t believe her; and Val’s love that. Of course is because she is completely smitten but ok let me have this.

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It was the head on her shoulder. Look she was trying to pay attention but since she put her head there she couldn’t stop looking at juliana. Even she kissed her own hand. Poor Val she is so smitten it hurts(in a good way).

Look, you can’t solve this level of gayness with your newfangled science and theories and the hows and the whys. It happened, all we can do is accept that the thirst of Valentina Carvajal is beyond our reckoning. 

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i cant with these two thirsty asses, ignoring that the damn couch which could fit a whole family and just practically sitting on top of each other !! juls sliding closer to val on the couch and by the end val-what the heck is subtle-tina practially eye fucking juls !!! this show ugh i cant i thought we would get post break angst, misunderstanding but instead we are getting representation reserved for heteronormative story lines !!

Do even hets get this??

I was literally telling Val to chill through the screen.

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