Omg, right! You got the pacto, the water, the red bracelets. Like, it is so very them that the fandom used it in the billboards and they’ve embraced that.


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Omg, right! You got the pacto, the water, the red bracelets. Like, it is so very them that the fandom used it in the billboards and they’ve embraced that.

Not even a little bit! I LOVE THIS. I love the care that went into it, I love that somebody was like, but if we’re going to make a separate movie and series just for this couple, people will need to know about them, and their answer wasn’t, well, they should have watched the original series (which isn’t even up on the site anymore), instead they took the time and trouble and resources to edit a whole new 40~ minute ep series with its own narrative, because this IS different, this has new scenes, new takes, it works in the relevant outside story through flashbacks. Somebody hunted up all those extra scenes. This is an actual Juliantina series. Even those of us who’ve watched the original clips and know them back and forth can see new things here.
Edit: This is just a start, right. The first step on the spinoff journey. And hoping for an audience outside just the original shippers.
And another anon(?):
What’s so weird about the Dickinson show is that they gave Emily a het romance….when it’s pretty well known that the real life Emily had no such thing. Did I expect two girls to fall in love in the 1800s and for that to be considered okay? But damn I got like backwards blue balls watching this series. It’s like they wanted us to long for Sue and Emily but didn’t tease it super well, so at the end it seems like Sue is happy she married Austin.
Damn, I guess that’s the danger of poetic license going a certain way. If the show had made it gayer than what’s known for a fact, we’d celebrate it, but because of context, the other way around is, while still up to how people interpret things, going to be viewed unfavorably.
I haven’t seen it yet but
if that actually is the case, it’s pretty sad to see degaying over the years. Even a century later, Whitney, and now this show made on the brink of 2020. I’ve heard some people did enjoy it even on a f/f level, though, so maybe it depends on what you take from it?
Heh, over the last couple of days I’d spent more time answering asks than I’d intended, usually I try to balance my “productive” Tumblr time between gifs and asks, so I ended up finishing some some almost completed gifsets and posting them. I was going to try to focus more on giffing today after answering some brief asks but then this arrived and I definitely didn’t want to leave it lying there.
First, thanks for telling me! I always like to be more informed than less.
Second, we both know that my opinion isn’t worth much here, this isn’t my issue to speak on, so my role is more to simply raise awareness, pass on info. In trying to balance that and the fact that this is my blog and thus I get at least that much say, I just wanna say a few things:
In wanting to pass on info here, I wanted to find a source to link for the claim “Atypical is funded by Autism Speaks”. That I couldn’t doesn’t mean that it’s not true, I’m just saying that I personally couldn’t find anything and I’d urge people to look into it themselves. I found this tumblr post which also could not find anything BUT, my point is not to say, “Hey, this person from the relevant group is giving us permission!”, I’m just saying it does seem to be difficult to find info connecting them. Autism Speaks has positive reviews and articles on the show on their website and spokespeople have commented favorably on it in news articles but it’s hard to find anything beyond that.
Now, again, people can make whatever choice they want on this, I’m just talking about my own approach on this, but as a person who gets fairly little rep, much of it bad, as a Muslim, as a lesbian, as a desi, as all three of those at once, my stance is not to judge people for continuing to watch something that hurt me. There’ve been a lot of shows that’ve done us wrong over the years, many that I’ve quit, many that I’ve been furious at and wish they HAD gotten cancelled but as much as I might judge people’s tastes for still watching them, I’m not judging them.
I also tend to think better of shows that try and listen and improve. Seeing these criticisms now, when I just finished watching Sam as the sweet boy from s3 who goes through a lot of pretty universal issues and succeeds, maybe the show did take in what people were saying and apply it?
All of this which means basically nothing, lol, as I said up front. It’s not up to me to absolve or give permission on this. One could say my reasoning works out pretty conveniently where I still get to watch and and enjoy what I wanted, the f/f. So, I’m publishing the ask, posting my thoughts, and uh, everyone is free to do what they want with that.
Lol, the Izzie and Evan talk leading you to odd places! That’s like me and that one post saying how ridiculous it was that anybody would get off a plan to Paris for Ross Geller, and I always skim it and think wait, what about Paris Geller now?
To cap off this comedy off errors, I googled Isobel Evans and when Google said she’d been played by Katherine Heigl, I was like…Izzie, Heigl, is this Grey’s Anatomy? Despite all the related links and pics being from Roswell, d’oh.
I haven’t but thanks for bringing it to me, anon! I’ll definitely try it out!
Hmmmm, that’s an interesting point. But saying the opposite, that you like a ship because it’s two women (although as you know, it’s never just that, that’s the start of a whole bunch of requirements that have to be checked to be into something–and look at how I’m justifying it even here, lol) also gets dismissed. That’s why people try to say it’s not just about two women in the first place.
People act like fandom culture’s changed recently with how diversity is used as a tool to bludgeon others into forcing your ship’s superiority, but ship wars have been a thing for a long time, this is just another tool to win them, and one that was seen as a disadvantage not too long ago. Or even now, when you have f/f relationships or m/f relationships involving POC in mainstream media, there’s a backlash. It’s pretty understandable that people try to counter that and try to justify their ship. But of course it gets messy, and the original ship war culture where it can’t just be defending a ship but putting down others distorts it. So then it becomes about how if you don’t ship something, you’re against the very thing it offers, e.g. homophobic for not shipping this f/f couple, racist for not shipping this other couple, which is of course going too far to win a ship war. BUT sometimes people who hate a ship ARE homophobic or racist! The very roots of where we are now are so convoluted and messy, there’s no easy platitude where it’s like, oh, you should just ship and let ship. I mean, as a personal approach, that is mine, but it’s only so easy for me because other people have already fought for so much.
But going back to your point, we’re already aware of the hate f/f ships get for existing, and then if there’s cheating it’s worse, and then if it’s cheating where the guy is nice, well, the perception and external gaze we’re always of seems that much worse. I don’t know if that’s what it was for the people who I saw say that, probably not, they may just be thinking, this guy’s so nice, but it’s hard to keep all those other elements out, they’re such a part of us.
Adelie, chinstrap, gentoo, emperor. 🙂 It’s such a sweet show aside from the gay, honestly, my dream, something already good and watchable on its own and then good, watchable gay in it.
Edit: And of course Sphen and Magic! Though Tumblr already filled me in on them, being the disseminator of gay news that it is. 😛
Definitely! I was talking to a friend about this season and she mentioned being surprised at how much of a separate arc Paige got, I think if there’s a season 4, Izzie’s family storyline is being set up to offer something similar. It’d probably go hand in hand with them getting serious about college and running, with things like UCLA possibly only interested in Casey offering some good conflict.
I’ve seen some nice dude third parties over the years, but other than actually helping to validate the f/f ship because that choice isn’t based on the other option being freaking terrible, it’s not really something I pay much attention to.
Do you mean in the sense that it’s just nice to be able to see someone who, despite their hurt, understands the situation and bows out gracefully, instead of being gross and terrible? That does make for more pleasant watching, it can be almost scary anticipating the reaction when it’s some men. Or is it that IF a guy has to be involved, at least it’s a good person? If you have to watch a love triangle being drawn out, you can understand why she’s with him?
You know, I’ve seen some people say they find it harder to root for the f/f ship when the guy is this nice, but that’s so irrelevant to me? I don’t ship based on the guy or relationship being horrible, I just like the other couple more. It’s not as if sucky dudes deserve being cheated on either. And like I said before, nice men ensure that the f/f ship isn’t about getting away from a person or situation. Actually, people have even said they don’t like that Evan is getting this perfect guy portrayal while Izzie is so messy, but like, how much does that highlight how into her Casey is that she’s still choosing her despite that? I really, really loved that when Izzie AGAIN blew her off and messed up, Casey’s reaction was to mope with Sharice and be like, damn, I’m pining (present tense!) after this hot and cold mess of a person, still focused on her, and no thought of Evan, which, that’s when you’d expect it in many shows. I like that even with this clear contrast, Casey’s made and repeatedly making the choice to be with Izzie.