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Praise the amar a muerte writes. I’m not sure if they know what they’re doing but as hell that it works.

That is…the biggest question to me. If they just stumbled on this? I mean, we can see the results of a LOT of good intentions on their part, that’s definitely on them, how central they are, how much the story favors and supports them, the number of good tropes they get and bad tropes they don’t. But if it’s this easy…why can’t anybody else do it? 

It’s not just that it’s a telenovela and thus allowed to lean into romance and over the top tropes that other genres refuse to, because other telenovelas don’t do this either. Across the world, shows like this exist and they haven’t been able to do this.

And another anon:

Organic. Is the word Maca always used to describe juliantina’s relationship on Interviews. That word means natural. And i can’t stop thinking how accurate that is. Even the angst feels like that. Like there’s nothing rush or push to feel a plot. Every part of them as characters and the relationship works. Interesting. There’s really few ships that work like that. 

Absolutely. I’ve been using that word to mainly describe their interactions, how realistic and natural they come across, the laughter, the touches. But the flow of the relationship has been just as natural. Even this latest conflict is about as in-character as it could have been, in a series where regular kidnappings and affairs and body-switching are the norm and a genre where everyone’s going to be hurt and unhappy in these last few weeks as we build to the end.

And another anon:

Hi, I wish the writers, producers, etc for julaintina also got the kudos they deserve for bringing this beautiful story into being in the first place. I mean the actresses should always get their fair share of attention since for the general public they are the face of the ship, but I really really appreciate the thought process & courage to conceive the storyline.

They do, they really do. It’s easy to understand why the actresses get so much love, deservedly so, they bring a lot to this and are the face of the ship, but a lot of the great parts of this ship have been in the actual treatment of it. The dialogue, the kind of scenes they get, the focus. And the directors and editors have really helped everything show at its best.

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So you ever stop and think that Televisa didnt think Juliantina would be a big deal but so many parts of their story is told with a delicate touch? Like i just want to know who said “lets have Juliana run around while shots are being fired and have some get shot RIGHT in front of her but do not have her get shot” and who said “ lets have Valentina answer the phone because she would risk it all for Juliana” like whoooo is responsible!?!?

Honestly, that’s all I can think about! Those are just the latest examples in a really long sequence of surprisingly great decisions.

I cannot stop wondering what went into making this and why it’s so different from all our other stories. What did they bring to this that almost all other creators have had such a hard time replicating? Especially for being a ship in an environment where it’s so new and where it as finished taping before it hit it big so there can be no question of changing the storyline in response to the attention?

They just really said, we’re going to make these two pivotal characters both women, and it’s not going to affect their place in the storyline, but it IS going to affect how their story is told. How rare is that? How often do we get that, if ever? There’s no doubt it’s so much gentler and kinder than so many other telenovela couples. They chose not to go with so many normal telenovela tropes, let alone all our terrible f/f ones. They want to talk? They talk things through. Val should break up with Lucho? She does. Silvina tells Juls she’s not good for Val? Juls straight up tells Val. 

I am just so curious how they did this. I did get a couple new followers because of this pairing but for those who’ve followed me for a while, I’ve seen soooo many f/f couples over the years and have developed a habit of looking at their treatment and what makes them effective. Central characters, woven into the main plot, screentime, interesting dynamic, chemistry, etc, etc. 

There’s a reason fandom tends to gravitate toward big subtext ships like Faberry, Supercorp, Swan Queen and why Clexa and Shoot took off as they did. People value the story as much as they do the romance. And yet, lol, looking at the treatment of most of our big canon ships, something goes wrong, right? The creators weren’t looking at things the way we were. 

Telenovela and soap ships are thriving right now because they’re to give screentime and focus that regular shows can’t, but they still hold the same biases and adherence to tropes everyone else does. Deaths and babies and the insertion of men? We still get those again and again. Is it an actual lack of research and context that’s worked out so well here? Did they not see how often drama’s injected into our stories through those tired old tropes? It’s one thing to say, we’re going to approach this differently and not be influenced by…every single thing we’ve learned in the world through society and culture, and then a whole ‘nother to actually do it. 

I suppose that’s why the tension is mounting in these last weeks through the fandom. The routine’s been perfect so far, just gotta stick that landing now.

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Do you happen to know if anyone has uploaded this interview with English subtitle? It’s this one www(.)youtube(.)com/watch?v=4uDoDyXVx9k Thank you in advance!

Oh, lmao, this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uDoDyXVx9k

Someone linked it to me and we laughed and laughed. The whole time there’s this serious round table convo and behind Maca’s head on the huge screen a few of their pivotal scenes were playing on a loop, but none so often as the pool kiss. At one point they even made it seem like she was on a video conference with the kiss, just so they could include it more clearly.

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I don’t think I ever saw an English subtitled version of this one, anyone know if there’s one available?

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I’m the very out of the loop anon and can I just say I’ve literally never seen lucia before I’m screaming, like I vaguely knew that their dads were connected and that juliantina were basically side characters but I didn’t know souls were switching bodies tf

Omggg, but. Ohhhh, that’s right. They were left out of the compilation clips. No, there was one left in. Um, when they’re in the kitchen talking about love, after Lucho’s a douche (more a douche than usual) and Val kicks him out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP97riB5sDs&index=25&list=PLZlgNEQJwHcpfxV-v2cskODkCuarU9qfo

Also, she was the stepmom who got kidnapped who Val was so worried about and why she wasn’t allowed to leave the house so Juls had to come over. But I guess she was never actually in those scenes, lol.

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ok as someone who just watches the juliantina scenes with English subs: this show is so much more complicated than I thought what the hell, why does everyone keep saying jacobo/leon

Oh, anon. 

Okay, so the show starts with Leon Carvajal, the older gray-haired rich guy, Val’s father, being assassinated at his wedding to Lucia, Val’s stepmom, the pretty blonde lady. At the same time, El Chino, Juliana’s dad, a hitman with dealings with a cartel, is executed. And a third guy, a professor, that tall mustachioed guy, Beltran, is killed in a car accident.

Leon’s body totally dies but his spirit goes into El Chino’s body. This entity now, El Chino’s body holding Leon’s spirit, calls itself Jacobo and goes and gets a job at the Carvajal house and keeps an eye on everything there. That’s why all those moments between Jacobo and Val are so significant. It’s also why he’s trying to avoid Juls, since she knows that body as her deadbeat hitman dad. 

El Chino’s spirit goes into the professor Beltran’s. That’s why he saved Lupe in the hospital and paid her bill and he had those weird reactions to seeing Juls at the hospital. 

Beltran’s spirit passed on, apparently he didn’t need to be redeemed. The point of these people coming back is to use this as a second chance. They have a butterfly tattoo on the back of their necks that starts to bleed when they go back to their shitty old ways. 

There’s obviously a lot more to it, but it’s imperative to know that the show centers on Leon (and Lucia, Val’s stepmom) and El Chino. So their daughters…Leon and El Chino’s, they connect everything.