Omggg Dutch categorizing their relationship as “hate flirting.” TBH the writers haaaaad to do Delle seyah/aneela Bc this shit is BLATANT & I for one woulda been pissed if I’d been an ongoing viewer and they kept teasing me like this w no follow thru lol. Delle seyah on the verge of passing out & Dutch telling her not to fantasize about this later Bc she was half carrying her omfg they’re cute I hate that I ship this lol
Oh, THAT ep. Oof, yep, they have a few eps that are extra shippy and that was the final one. And probably the most explicitly so.
For real, it was getting to be on the verge of genuinely promising something. Obviously many shows have gone farther and then ultimately done less, but I guess they were just like, why not? I might be misremembering, but I think I read that Aneela was always planned (it was Delle Seyah who stayed longer than intended by being that watchable), so they just decided to take advantage of their chemistry and put them together in at least this form?
Which was super weird because Aneela is SO MUCH not Dutch. Dutch has a sense of humor, warmth, she’s savvy. Aneela…might have a sense of humor and be savvy, heh, but not like Dutch. I joked with my friend that Aneela is Helena to Duch’s Sarah Manning but she’s also…Rachel? Though maybe their massive differences made it easier to accept the substitution?
I just deleted a bunch of stuff that was probably unnecessarily spoilery, even though I assume you know the gist of the following seasons. Let me know how the watching goes!
you can’t just reblog paris/rory like that with no warning, its one of those ships i always forget about but it suddenly will pop up out of nowhere and emotionally drag me back into the early 2000s. but i love that there are still ppl writing it after so long haha
Heh, awwww, yeah, the fandom’s keeping it afloat! If anything, though, doesn’t it feel stronger now than back then? But maybe I just think that because I didn’t ship it at all back then. I wasn’t aware of it as a ship and wouldn’t even suspect I was gay until after the show finished. And then I read good ole Boston Marriage and was like…you know whattt.
You have read The Best of It, right? Just in case the early ‘00s really were your last time with them, I don’t want you to continue living without it in your life
I want to get excited about Dani x grace potentially happening (which my gay brain still can’t believe that it will lol in such a big blockbuster and no talk about it??) but grace is the Kyle Reese replacement so theres like a 95% chance she’s dying lol
Haha, yeah, it is a bit lose-lose here, right. Though, I have heard that spec as well, but isn’t it hoped to be the start of a new trilogy? I don’t think this time they’d be as willing to get rid of one of their stars right off the bat? But given the genre and just the way modern media conveys high stakes, we all expect one of the good guys to die. I’ve seen spec or rumors about all of the helpers, Grace, Sarah Connor, and Arnie. I always hope it’s not going to be any of them and in fact would be super sad at losing the Sarah Connor, so I’m just worried in general. Whoops.
And another anon:
Why cast the actor of one of the most recognizable gay icons of the last few years if they didn’t want it to be gay (or have a wlw following)? Also, the two scenes you posted in the response to my rambling are both in the RedBand trailer if I’m correct. Because maybe it is gay! This IS the sort of movie who could break through. It’s R rated so no backlash from families, San Junipero was loved by basically everyone except hardcore homophobes, it wants to scare misogynistic trolls! It’d be perfect
Okay, I’ll grant San Junipero is well known for its f/f but I don’t know if I’d call her a recognizable gay icon. Or ascribe any of those motivations to the casting people… I mean, they cast her in Tully where there was also some obvious subtext and look what happened there.
It WOULD be perfect, for all those reasons, and yet. Clearly you’re not convinced yourself:
Same anon:
[cont.] Everything about the production screams gay, but if they actually did it they’d pat themselves on the back so hard they’d spit their own bullshit. BUT maybe they don’t want to spoil or scare off potential audiences by promoting the gay romance? OR they actually want it to be a surprise to thank all the wlw who kept renting at Blockbusters T2 in the 90s just for Linda’s biceps? Who knows. Grace is probably Dani’s adopted daughter from the future. Ugh.
Hahaha, yeah, if only they made this as a gift to all wlw. I mean, it looks like a goddamn gift right now. Honestly, I’m surprised there isn’t a ton of fic already? What are people waiting for? Once they get momzoned it’s all gonna dry up.
angry-sushi / andreafloresgr shout out – angry-sushi’s got clips up to Episode 80 for ALL Juls and Val scenes now; thanks to andreafloresgr, Eng subs for Parts 1-2 (Eps 1-20) are up on YT/GD. As book anon, if on Android, I highly, highly recommend a little, localized app called Book Catalogue – can search/add via Amazon and Goodreads, add to custom bookshelves, local backup functionality – it’s temporarily not on Google Store, but it’s gonna be back very soon (GitHub, eleybourn, Book-Catalogue)!
Ahh, this is super late, but I actually was trying to save this for when Book Catalogue went back up on the Google Store. I’ve been checking periodically but haven’t seen it go back up yet. If you want it, you can get the apk from that link as we wait.
Oh, wow, I’d focused on the books part when I first read and totally missed that their were English subs for the earlier Juls and Val scenes! Shoutout and huge thank you to @angry-sushi and @andreafloresgr.
If you want to watch the early solo Juls and Val scenes with English subs: https://angry-sushi.tumblr.com/juliantina
Lastly, the reason I decided to go ahead and answer this ask now, anon, is because I actually did end up making a goodreads account! At first I tried to add everything I could remember reading at any point but that honestly seems a bit of a lost cause. At the moment, I’m mostly using it as a to-read list instead of scattering random new books on gmail, my phone, or my desktop.
I don’t get WHY people voting for a ship in which the show as explicitly portrayed both characters as straight?? When there’s a ship that is actual representation? One of the actors from the Supercorp ship has been vocal about her aversion to said ship. While, both actors from the Posie ship, an actual queer relationship, are supportive of the relationship. Why are people picking something that isn’t actual representation over ACTUAL REPRESENTATION?
Well, they’re not voting for best rep, they’re voting for their favorite ship. If you were truly voting for best representation, would you actually pick Posie? Actually, lemme go see what the other ships are, I have no idea.
Okay, right, you could say some of these are better than Posie on paper? More screentime, more story, etc? So then you realize how little sense it makes to go by the metric of Better Representation? That’s a never ending and totally pointless competition. Totally pointless.
Those conversations are super relevant, absolutely, but on a more macro level, discussing trends and stats. Why do people as a whole gravitate to this thing or that thing. People will like what they like. Why they like them, again, tackle that on a macro level, but you can’t just use those arguments to say one specific ship is better than another specific ship because…does that ever work? Will somebody who’s invested in a ship suddenly drop it? Well, that depends on if your goal is just to declare your ship better or if it’s your goal to actually reach people.
We’re basically continuing the same ship wars as always, just with different vocabulary. This ship is better because it’s canon, because it’s got POC, because it’s same-sex, because the actor is queer in real life and on and on. Certainly there are traits in characters and ships that are rarer and that make them naturally more valuable to us, since they’re usually rarer because people deliberately were not writing them but again, trying to tell someone what to ship will never work.
And anon, I think you must not know me at all, because I have a ton of subtext ships. I could talk about the historical significance of subtext ships for underrepresented groups or why a dearth of screentime and plot still pushes people toward them even in the presence of canon ships but at the end of the day, people will like what they like, and this is surely the one space where they can be allowed to?