HAPPY SEPTEMBER 14TH!! (Valentine’s Day ?)
Thank you!
I sent you something few minutes ago, I’m honestly kind of disappointed at everything but it’s really unfair to unload that on you. You’ve been great and actually I knew about them because of you so thanks for that. I hope I’m wrong and I’m miss reading the foreshadowing. I’m really sorry for burdening with drama, promise it won’t happen again.
Ah, no worries, anon. I can absorb it. 🙂 Super cool of you to write back, though, I appreciate it. Honestly, it was very kind of you and I’m also glad you were able to kind of halt those feelings a bit, and are feeling more solid? It seems like?
I guess I accept what happens, what Juliana’s error was (letting her insecurities talk her into not trusting Val), where she’s coming from, but….how are they going to reconcile after this? Val is going to be extremely hurt by this, and with the limited time left, how can they get back together? Or do you buy the theory that they will end as friends and get together after a timeskip?
You know, I wouldn’t have before, but now…maybe that makes sense. They seemed so much on the same page before, a timeskip would only deprive them valuable time of being together.
Now, there’s quite a bit of processing to get through. If the series were longer, I could imagine them being able to do that in a few more telenovela days, but since it’s not and since they appear to have deliberately kept all this drama and escalation for now…yeah, maybe. Maybe. I dunno, when they talk, they talk so well, they just cut through everything. They could resolve things very quickly or not at all, it depends where the show goes.
Are you still on the ship?
Yep. They’ve had sooooo many good moments and their romance and the characters aren’t ruined for me.
Tbh, obviously I don’t love that this happened, but I can reconcile how it could happen with the characters and situations we’ve seen so far, which is important to me to accept within canon. Sometimes, you just have to be like, okay, this is clearly a decision the writers made for drama and it’s totally OOC and the plot leading the characters, and then, I’m still gonna ship, but it becomes a different experience, where you want to just go canon divergent or exclude whole parts of their history. At the moment, I’m still on the ship as it is in canon.
It’s bizarre to watch people who don’t know Mexican tv or its history criticize it from the outside. Like, have some perspective. This is also a cultural thing. Please be a little more respectful when you talk about our level of representation not being “advanced.” That’s a weird word to use, and also you are applying different standards to a televisual form you have little understanding of.
Apologies if it comes across like I’m judging it or criticizing it as a whole. I’m talking more in terms of how much LGBT media there’s been, how much experience there’s been in consuming it and creating it. It’s not that American shows do it better, but they have had more time and practice. I’m speaking to that.
And another anon?:
“Lol, aww, they are trying, aren’t they” = extremely condescending
I meant it in an endeared sense. They’re facing a bit of a shitstorm and are handling it this way. I think it’s sweet.
Do you really think there’s one show that can only portray “positive” tropes? That’s fucking unrealistic and DOES NOT exist. Never will the day come that everyone will agree to everything happening because we all have different experiences. Stop acting on your moral high ground. Honestly give them a fucking break
Oh, I wasn’t saying that. I was talking about what attracted us to it and its treatment of tropes and our reactions to them.
We will accept almost anything, and in fact, are mostly accepting even here, but death, forced insertion of men into f/f plots, and babies, those are the ones that always get to us because they’re so common and they imply such a…lack of us. They stop centering on us and instead focus on other things and often carry homophobic messages with them.
ETA (I should have waited a second longer to post this)
And another anon:
But the thing is, friends to lovers and mutual pining thing are tropes, sure, but the “presumed lesbian sleeps with a guy” is so very harmful that they can’t be compared. Like sure these things are all tropes but they can’t be weighed equally ya feel
Right, that’s what I’m saying. They’re all just storytelling devices when we don’t include context, but we do have very specific contexts for some of them. It’s not just being a good or a bad trope, that’s difficult to define, there should be a good balance, as my kind anon above pointed out, but we have some harmful ones that have to be used very carefully.
Televisa just made an article of other tv lesbian couples it is quite basic but they are really out there trying to educate their audience and I respect that
Lol, awww. they are trying, aren’t they.
It does feel rather unfair on everyone involved, doesn’t it. They’re trying to catch up to something that frankly, our own media has yet to give us and they’re like…quite a few stages behind. This is, what, Willow/Tara for them? So early ‘00s level? (It’s bizarre that TLW, IMAY, and Saving Face all came out in 2004-2005 and then we had like nothing at the same level for like another decade, until Carol in 2015?)
Through no real effort on their part, simply making some core characters f/f and committing to that, they attracted all these people who’re expecting something so much more advanced from them. Although they certainly enjoyed the attention from those people, now they’re seeing what happens when those people bring in their own experiences. But then it’s really not fair on us either, as simply people, to have to ignore our own history with bad tropes because of someone else’s inexperience with them. What can either side do? Well, hopefully work together and learn from this, moving forward.