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Sergio already knew where Juls lived from the very first time Lucho had him follow Val when he thought she was going to a guys house because he said she never comes to this area, then when Juls walked out to greet her, that’s when Sergio said well at least now I know where Juls lives. This was before they caught them both at the other house. But it is a plothole that Lupe told him where Juls worked but then didn’t know who he was.

Ah, right, that is what we were pointing out, that he knew where Juls lived because of following them but Juls never questioned how he knew. it’s not necessarily a plothole, she had other things on her mind and she could have assumed Val told him or in fact realized that if the boys followed them to Valle, they already knew everything else. But it’s creepy. 

And another anon:

Sergio has been shit this whole time and he lied a lot, now Lucho hacked Lupe’s phone to know where she was who is to say that he didnt do the same to Val during their relationship that’s why he says he always knows where she is in that hospital scene and Sergio knows about this and actually does the same with Juls

Indeed, I saw a bunch of people go ohhh, that’s how he knew she was at the hospital. I don’t think Sergio does it, otherwise he wouldn’t have to ask people so often, lol.

Didn’t Juls keep her phone during the kidnapping? Why didn’t they just track that instead of Lupe’s?

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major plothole or just confirmation that Sergio is a creep: Lupe asked who Sergio was when he and Val went to her house about Juls kidnapping, rewind to a day before where he says to Juls that he went after her in her house and Lupe told him where she was. Add to that the fact Juls never told him where she lived but the narrative at the moment didnt make Juls question his sentence

Oh, yeah! He knew where she lived by following her and nobody even addresses that. That specifically was probably a plothole (because otherwise the show would call attention to it) but I could believe he’s just being a creep and following her. Why not? She deliberately didn’t tell him where she lived before when he was dropping her off, so he went around her and had Val show him. And then of course following her to Silvina’s house (as well as later going along with Lucho to the house in Valle). He badmouths Val to Juls frequently, for no reason.

He constantly goes past boundaries and then is mildly apologetic about it and is forgiven.

It’s not that people can’t do bad things in shows, it’s that his actions are always framed as a good guy making a mistake for which he should be forgiven, instead of someone deliberately doing things he knows are wrong and then getting an almost immediate free pass.

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What are your predictions about what’s going to happen with Juliantina in these next few episodes?

I get these wrong every time, partly because I always make the error of–for once–undervaluing a f/f ship in a way the writers do not. I always think, okay, now they’re going to go on the backburner as the real plot takes over. Val and Lucia have been taken hostage, this is time for the Carvajals to handle this, no way Juls will play a part. And then she shows up, running through bullets. Okay, they’ve broken up, now the dads and Lucia plots will take over while they stay separate. But no, they investigate together. Even so much of Juls’s kidnapping was about Val.

BUT. This really is the time for a lot of other plot to happen. There are 10 episodes left. The Alacran-Eva-Mateo plot has to be handled, everyone else has to find out, Lucia-Johnny, everyone else has to find out, Jacobo being Leon, and…everyone else has to find out. They’ve even split up Renata and Guille so they can presumably get back together in a big moment at the end?

Going by TV logic that they don’t just move past this in tonight’s ep so it can be drawn out more, I would say they have an inTENSE conversation today. During which Juls might bring up Beltran being Chino? I don’t know which way it’ll go, for real, Val being angry and this time the result being the opposite of the Jacobo confrontation? Or she could be like, okay, I understand but I’m hurt and disappointed and maybe we shouldn’t be together/stay on a break, like you keep saying. But then as everything piles on in the next episodes, Lucho’s aftermath and Lucia and Leon and Eva/Mateo, Val will just want some comfort?

And another anon:

I know as a fandom we have a zero percent accuracy rating at guessing what’s happening next, but do you think they’re gonna make Juliantina actually hash out everything that happened w asshole sergio? I haven’t decided if Val will be instantly forgiving Bc she’s that gone, or if she’s gonna feel betrayed & ask what Juls would’ve done if she ~had~ enjoyed sleeping w a man. Or if Juls is gonna rake herself over the coals &not accept Val’s easy forgiveness. So many possibilities & they all hurt lol

All good options, and so many more. Imagine if they got interrupted, lol. 

I mean, there’s being wrong because we underestimated (or once, overestimated >_>) the writers and then there’s thinking that this couple, or any couple, will be happy in the lead up to the finale. I would think it’s a mix of Juls being bad at explaining it (is Val never going to know she’d left Lupe??) and Val just feeling so hurt at it all. 

Whatever it is, I don’t think it’ll be something that makes either of them look too bad, since the point of this will be again the circumstances being the enemy, and I do think that it’ll be something that will be resolved before any time skip.

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to be fair, Juls does have a pattern of settling with spending time with Sergio when she’s on the outs with Val or at least when Valentina is otherwise occupied. When they showed up at the pool, Juls got stuck talking to Sergio while Val and Lucho argued. when they hung out when Lucia was kidnapped, Juls looked at Val and Lucho on the couch then resigned to going to make popcorn with Sergio. At Guille’s party, Juliana got stuck dancing with him while Lucho stole Valentina away. (1/2)

after they were broken up, Juliana goes to lunch with Sergio cause she has no one else to turn to. So it’s not a surprise that, when she found Lucho comforting Val for something she didn’t even know the whole story of (plus the fact that Lucho has free fucking reign of the carvajal properties, when she’s had to mission impossible her way in), she turned to Sergio. I don’t blame Juls, she really doesn’t know anyone else and many of those times she was literally just stuck with him. (2/2)

Yep, they really did keep throwing her in his company. Not only were they paired up as the spares, he also often deliberately sought that out. 

When you think about it, in this whole city–country, Juls knows her mom, Panchito, Milagros, Val, Lucho, Perlita, and…Sergio. Aside from Val, he’s literally the only person who’s ever offered her a sympathetic ear (whatever his motivations for it). And which of them could she go to with the issues she was having that day? I don’t blame her at all. And while the narrative dictates that this was her act of…whatever, if this were real life, I would be very pissed at a person in his position.

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omg the tsking from Juliana before Chivi interrupts .. she truly is just pissed at the universe for making Val have to go through all this shit

Which says so much about Juls, considering what she is having to go through as well. But man, who would have thought, freaking Lucho would be killed because Lupe would lead the kidnappers to the “safe” distance they were keeping when Val just wanted to be there for Juls when she got out. The chain of events has truly been something, I can’t blame both girls for just being in constant shock.